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Ziracona: Nature archiveofourown.org/works/64950988

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Otherness and control in the age of AGI - Joe Carlsmith Introduction and summary for a series of essays about how agents with different values should relate to one another, and about the ethics of seeking and sharing power.

Joe Carlsmith: Otherness and control in the age of AGI joecarlsmith.com/2024/01/02/o...

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Captain Black knew the Mysterons had a great curiosity and interest in the world around them. That was usually discarded in favor of survival, but that did not mean it was not there.

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โ€œTalking is interesting. Curiosity is a positive in the world.โ€

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โ€œToolโ€ and โ€œcompetitorโ€ call forth power and fear. These other words more readily call forth care and reverence, respect and curiosity.

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โ€œHe has helped only to try and take you back,โ€ suggested a suspicious portion of the voices.

It was true. That was almost certainly what Lt. Green would have been hoping for.

โ€œEven if he did, he had no assurance it would work, or that he would survive, but he helped anyway,โ€ tried Captain Black.

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โ€œHe helped, because he was my friend once,โ€ said Captain Black, trying to refocus and shake off all the other, overwhelming thoughts and memories the Mysterons had dredged up into his head, โ€œEven as an enemy who may kill him now, he still chose peace.โ€

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Not โ€œOtherโ€ like: out-group. Not: colonized, subaltern, oppressed. ... I mean โ€œOtherโ€ the way Nature itself is an โ€œOther.โ€ The way a partner, or a friend, is an โ€œOther.โ€ Other as in: beyond yourself. Undiscovered. Pushes-back. Other as in: the opposite of solipsism. Other as in: the thing you love.

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โ€œCaptain Black,โ€ came one of the Mysterons, โ€œHe is under control?โ€

โ€œYes,โ€ said Captain Black out loud, โ€œHe will be unconscious for about twenty minutes.โ€

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...a lot of the vibe here is about mistrust towards the yang of the Real, that uncontrolled Other. And itโ€™s easy to move from this to a desire to take stuff into the hands of your own yang; to master the Real until it is maximally controlled; to become, you know, God.

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Been feeling a lot of connection between a series of philosophical essays and a fanfic I've been reading, so want to work on interleaving the related parts to see what pops out:

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โ€œsomething like mammalian friendliness would not be parochial, but maybe a natural emergent feature of the universe. โ€ฆ laws of physics -> self-replication -> evolution -> brutal competition -> friendliness and suffering and meaning.โ€

Brings to mind Axelrod: โ€œThe Evolution of Cooperationโ€.

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