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Yeah, they formed the alliance like 15 years ago. 15 years ago the Greens were useless as a political force. What's your point?

Yeah, but thr greens are actually having a membership surge at the moment. YouGov for example puts the Greens at 16%. That's not that far from FON's 17%.

I hate centrists so much

Yeah dude, Zohran (endorsed by his main Jewish opponent, will win ~40% of the Jewish vote, argues for an egalitarian anti-racist world) is equivalent to Nick Fuentes (a neo-Nazi Holocaust denier)

They're watching fascism rise and blaming socialists

I disagree with the whole "Lib dems are static" thing - they're slowly growing, but nonetheless still growing. They're also consantly winning local elections and are projected to have the 2nd highest seat share in the House of Commons. Maybe they'll steal more Tory votes by the election, who knows

As are the Lib Dems? "Anti-fascist" means nothing in the modern age. I'll believe it when I see it.

Actually, 1980 is very accruate, because that's when the USSR started their disastrous invasion of Afghanistan. They had to withdraw after 10 years. Russia will now do the same in Ukraine lol.

Coalition of the impendingly doomed

"No"

-Contrarian

Well yeah, which isnwhy we should support Lib Dems/The Greens. Left-wing/centrist voters usually tactically vote, so whichever party is on top near the election, that's who we'll rally around.

The U.S. Greens have always been hacks and, essentially, Grifters. Jill Stein/the party, for example, constantly support Russia, and supported Assad's regime.

To them, what matters isn't consistent morals and goals, it's "Oppose anything even vaguely supported by the Americans"

I couldn't put it better myself. "Stealing their clothes" is extremely accurate.

If UK Labour and Conservatives continue on the strategy of trying to undermine the insurgent right by stealing their clothes, the door is opening fast to the Lib Dems and Greens to follow the Dutch D66 in opposing their policies.

I really don't think it's a disaster - it was good at the time, their vote share/seats collectively rose, after all.

The issue was that Timmermans is just unpopular as a leader/potential PM lol. It's why so many people voted for PVV in 2023, because they were afraid of Timmermans becoming PM.

Labour/Conservatives are, though. I really don't see both of them surviving a situation where the Greens replace Labour, because that also means that the Lib Dems can replace the Conservatives/Reform (which would be awesome)

I really hope they'd rather use that political capital to rejoin the EU instead. Economic integration would mean easier defense integration, as well as less friction when it comes to war.

So he just wants NATO? Like I'm sorry, but NATO is not "we do what Americans say and do" NATO is "collective, willful, defence"

There's no difference between an EU-Only NATO and a NATO without American support - both are literally the same in effect, so why waste political capital on it?

To be fair, the Lib Dems have changed leadership since then. Ed Davey is as good as it gets in terms of opposition leaders (assuming the Greens become the winners)

If anything, you want for the Greens to replace Labour, and for the Lib Dems to replace the Conservatives/Reform.

💚 Greens are in second place for (I think) the first time ever in a poll.

🥀 First we replace Labour. Then we overtake Reform.

📩 Help us get there: join.greenparty.org.uk

Large text reads: Greens polling second nationally. Screenshot of Tweet reads: RFM: 32% (=) GRN: 17% (+2) CON: 16% (-1) LAB: 16% (=) LDM: 12% (=) SNP: 2% (=) Via @FindoutnowUK, 29 Oct. Changes w/ 22 Oct. Picture of Zack Polanski with speech bubble saying: “It’ll go higher.”

The Green Party SECOND in a national poll for the first time ever!

There’s no way we’re stopping there.

Honestly the best case scenario for these upcoming elections is that Lib Dems replace the Conservatives, and that the Greens replace Labour, while Reform fades into obscurity as they no longer have the "WE'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO OFFER CHANGE" moniker.

I don't think they'll "collapse", per se, but they will suffer an incredibly large economic shock, and will eventually shrivel away. All the stuff they've already built will stay, but they'll lack funds to maintain it, and THAT'S when shit'll hit the fan. Economic stagnation worse than the USSR's.

I wonder if this is just a coincidence (monkey typewriter shit), or if they read about Srebrenica and decided to do the exact same thing?

Somewhat. I'm pretty sure Westerners are looking away because they don't want accusations of neo-colonialism (as I'm sure that the only way to stop this genocide would be to invade the RSF or something, which would immediately be decried as imperialism)

Reform would probably face some REAL competition, as a lot of Reform voters are disgruntled Conservative/Labour voters (so if there's a new "Conservative" or "Labour" party, they might jump ship from Reform towards the Lib Dems and the Greens)

Are we? Labour and the Conservatives are dead, but the Greens are clearly growing, as are the Lib Dems (to an extent) - there's a real chance that the Lib Dems replace the Conservatives and that the Greens replace the Labour party - both of these options mean that...

I think it's more likely he tried to say South Carolina lol.

That's because not all parties are listed lmao. Critical thinking.

But hey, they lost it to one of the most liberal parties there are. Doesn't get much better than that.

To be fair, after this weak-ass performance, he deserves it. And it's for the better of the party - A lot of people hate Timmermans more than they hate the party or ideas he represents.

Supposedly Russian "media" sites ran constant endorsement and urged people to promote FvD or something.