Thomas Carter

With another accidental prisoner release getting live updates in the press and some seemingly trying to suggest this is new under Labour I feel like this may be a good subject for an @monkemma.bsky.social fact thread as it’s actually been happening at n average rate of 17 per month since 2021! 😳

I am constantly amazed by the fact that almost always an outrageous DM or telegraph headline is shown to be misinformation - suggesting it’s not the journalists that are the problem, but the person(s) who writes the headlines to go with the article

Yes but it’s only been a year - short of throwing the fiscal rules out of the window and either giving people money or cutting taxes and then collapsing the economy as gilts shoot up it’s not actually logical to expect that to happen in a year

Yes this is a particular bugbear of mine, Labour have done a huge amount of policies since coming to power but so many have the impression they’re doing nothing.

By all means disagree with the policies, but don’t misrepresent what’s actually happening

Where does increasing the public sector pay above the level of inflation fit with austerity? Or increasing NHS spending above inflation? setting up a wealth fund?

Come on, let’s not belittle the impact of austerity by using it when it’s clearly not happening under Labour

Yes and no on the second point, the rising popularity of tactical voting with progressives offsets it being more spread out, and I suspect the “stop reform” motivation to be significantly more than stop the Tories was

Original poster - @bestforbritain.org

Yes agree that Labour needs better comms, but equally it was important to temper expectations given just how bad the country got when they came to power

Now however it’s looking like it’s right to be optimistic and bullish how the country is doing

It’s also self fulfilling which is why the right wing press do it - talk down the economy and people don’t spend which has an impact on the economy.

I completely believe OP has the best interests of the country in mind but adding to the poor framing of what is excellent news isn’t helping

Blimey not you too

This is 0.2% higher than estimated, and means with 1% for the 6 months of 2025 means the UK is still top of the G7 outpacing US with only 0.6% and well on track to smash the est 1.2%

Clearly we need to fix trade, but not talking down positive news is also best for Britain, no?

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reality when it wasn’t to Rwanda as well as the actual asylum seekers not wanting to risk their legitimate chance via the safe route. As you say it’ll be tested in court, but it looks much more legal so likely to work

Anyway, thanks and Have a good day!

😂 ok you’re getting somewhat ridiculous with your speculations now

Thanks for the debate, but I haven’t seen anything that changes my view this is basically taking the Rwanda scheme that never worked and tweaked it so it might - and the deterrent has been strengthened by making deportation a

😂 sorry if I touched a nerve, I was using an analogy to point out that a gov changing the law doesn’t mean it’s “legal”

Let’s see, as I say the argument of deporting to France breaks human rights is much weaker than Rwanda so I doubt it but let’s find out in time

😂 and each attempt will be deported, so your argument is that criminals will keep paying despite no chance of gettting money back - seems hard to believe

Dictators change the law to make it “legal” to kill,that doesn’t make it “legal” - again the gov changed the law but still couldn’t deport,it was a massive waste of money and time that just resulted in the asylum hotels -the concept of deporting as a deterrent however was sound, and became this plan

Criminals give away free money, I have to admit I never realised that before 😂

Nope, if it was legal then it would have worked, as said it was constantly blocked and the gov tried to pretend it was legal

Asylum seekers never had a safe route before bar one or two temporary ones eg Ukraine - that was part of the issue…

1 crossing normally uses all their savings, not sure how you think they’ll keep affording to cross - doubt the criminals will do it for free and there’s the risk of death aspect too. Plus all the asylum seekers who no longer need or want to cross as there’s a safe route

fair human rights - it’s noticeable that since Labour came to power and started working within the law that deportations have exceeded the Tories who tried to break/ignore them. This new deal does the same

Not quite, Supreme Court ruled there were issues, the gov then changed the law so that the Supreme Court had to recognise it as safe despite nothing changing - that didn’t resolve the appeal courts, international law were still stopping flights

Not really, they believe everyone has the right to

By that measure then it would never be working, the human rights issues that blocked then deportations weren’t going anywhere

You keep referring to activists? It was just lawyers applying the law, something we all have a right to? As stated this builds on Rwanda by making the plan workable

😂 by it working you mean filling up hotels with asylum seekers? Brilliant

Again, two years and multiple court cases and it failed to deport anyone over basic human rights issues - this tries that same thing again but resolved the human rights issue - same deterrent but should actually work

It was implemented for 2 years, we deported zero and accepted over 20

Not really a Hail Mary, again you’re assuming people will keep crossing when they get sent back, that’s remarkably illogical

Blimey - I’m so sorry to see how out of normality and logic your thinking is, my sympathies. As stated, Rwanda was tried and failed utterly, this is the same plan but tweaked so we will be able to deport and have a deterrent to cross - a win for everyone providing the trial works

happily risk their lives despite having zero chance of reward)

Anyway - no point in discussing the logistics, as mentioned my point was how funny some loved the Rwanda scheme and yet attack this one despite it basically being the same but tweaked so we can actually deport and have a deterrent. All the criticisms so far have been fairly illogical (eg they’ll

Nope - as we’ve seen already, everyone arriving was detained, we are just waiting for the legal decison about deporting (which is likely to be fine unlike Rwanda) and they’ll all be gone

Nope - pollings very clear, the country thinks we should offer asylum to people running from war. This offers that as well as uses it to end small boats crossings - win

die - a high risk of death for zero chance of staying isn’t likely to be popular

Nope, just pointing out how bizarre it is some people loved the Rwanda scheme yet don’t this plan that’s on paper far better and likely to be much more effective.

They can keep trying and we can just keep sending them back, doubt it tho - they don’t have unlimited money and each attempt they may