Further: I presume you accept phen control is the real cause of flowing ki to knock people out, make them involuntarily flip over, or paralyze them? How easy do you think it would be to use phen control to change a feeling by a Likert unit or two or proprioceptively drift a cm or two?

Correlations are one form of evidence especially when phen. control can cause the phenomenon and there are clear demand characteristics. Phen. control then provides a simple explanation. In the case of the rubber hand illusion there is also causal evidence, as in the paper I linked to previously.

YouTube video by heihei Phony Karate Master - No Touch KO Debunked

Incidentally, the no touch knock out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_...

a theory that explains raft of phenomena, from the effect of projecting ki at a distance knocking people out, spirit possession, past life recall, out of body experiences, ASMR, ... One theory that can explain the intricate detail of experiences by simply asking what the demand characteristics are

If people low in phenomenological control disagree that they experience the illusion, and if the illusion canbe created and reversed by direct application of phenomenological control - like the rubber hand illusion - there is a simple powerful general theory that explains it,

When the government in exile has difficult deciion of state to make they may consult the protector deity Gyalpo Pehar. he is channeled thr ough a monk who dances around and speaks and then collpases,saying atthe end that it was not him speaking it all happened beyond his will.

Another example is the Nechung state oracle of Tibet: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT5U...

The students were genuinely believers in the ki power of their master. The master could paralyze them, stop them breathing until he gives the signal ... what is neeed is the ability to create experiences mispreresenting reality according to situational needs: phenomenological control

YouTube video by LEGOKNlGHT Soke Yamaue - Qi energy vs 3 opponents

and create the experiences required in the situation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwbD...

Yes quite serious! In my martial arts career I sought out all sorts of instructors, and I learned a couple of neat things from Yamaue sensei one camp - a ki master like the one I sent before! Yamaue has genuine skills but his students obviously begun to respond in anticipation

YouTube video by J Kiai Master vs MMA

Here is a real life example of phenomenological control: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDa...

Dienes, Z., & Lush, P. (2023). The role of phenomenological control in experience. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 32(2), 145–151. doi.org/10.1177/0963...

Evidence that proprioceptive drift can be caused by phenomenological control: osf.io/preprints/ps.... Maybe I am emphasizing phenomological control to just the right degree?

Interesting but it only says the mechanism in humans may also involve acting on (known) misleading information, e.g. by the use of phenomenological control.

The rubber hand illusion in humans arises when a feeling of ownership is at odds with a correct belief concerning ownership. The octopus study shows octopuses can have false beliefs about ownership when given misleading information.

Nothing to do with how compelling comparative cognition is. For these studies, there is a difference between octopuses and people: octopus may become genuinely confused given the information, whereas people know the rubber hand is a rubber hand. That makes what is being tested radically different.

The fact that octopuses can be misled by misleading information may of course not tell us much about the experience of fully informed humans.