warpfork

How much these problems are "staggering" may be in the eye of the beholder, but personally, I've seen rust adoption stalls from e.g. the TLS library linking hell.

And I look at Gleam, with its JS output feature... Then I notice the first ecosystem library I look at is Erlang ffi... And I wonder.

I'm a little terrified of it being *too* easy for gleam to use Erlang ffi, and what that's going to mean about the ecosystem in the long run.

Much like Rust has had staggering problems over time due to c ffi leading to toolchain reliability issues due to enthusiastic overuse, I fear that for Gleam.

Misread cobras as cookies and had an absolute trip trying to visualize.

I want to have root on an android device simply so that i can read the logs of another app so i can help a friend debug their development app and i am a software developer of N years and an android user of M years and both M and N are not small numbers and I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS WITHOUT BRICKIN

On the one hand, I get it: someone probably took something that felt like the simplest path, somewhere, while throwing things out.

On the other hand: it is really difficult to try to hold software engineering as a serious discipline when we do things so wildly undisciplined as obscuring versions.

... it's just taking its action in a place that provides no information to a user. (Unless the user is the tier of strange where they actually walk through the log of http redirects.)

Argh?!

The icing on the cake in this example is that of course it's just a redirect to github, and you'll see that if you use e.g. curl.

Github, which itself does a great job of *not* obscuring this.

And the redirect is done by other Zed infra. So they *have* something that reacts to releases...

If it was in a readme, I'd understand (but still say that's kind of asinine; point to a directory; this isn't hard).

But consider for example the zed.dev website.

zed.dev/docs/linux#downloading-manually has links that go to latest with zero indications. Not in URL, not in resulting filename.

Views from the European Sleeper train between Berlin Hbf & Ostbahnhof.

Something that drives me absolutely up the wall is when I want to download some software and the URL has the word "latest" in it, and the filename has no version indicator either.

I wanna know what I'm downloading. C'mon. This is basic.

Developers: don't do this to people. The power is yours.

We’re watching a shift where AI simulates the cohesion and reinforcement that used to require an entire online community. A single person can now build a complete parallel reality with nothing more than a prompt window. Which seems bad.

content (n): what we create.
content (adj): what we long to be.

(Not just for the HKP evo trajectory rundown but also for the takedown on currying and how excessive effort at pretending arity isn't a thing is actually ergonomically harmful: screamingly, YES! THANK you, author of this FAQ! You Nailed it!)

Man this FAQ just keeps absolutely hitting the notes square on about "and Here's Why your Pet Language Feature has Consequences" and I've rarely been so here for something

I'm trying to resist screaming "YES, EXACTLY" like a madman as I ride the train and read this lol

Holy smokes the faq discussion around HKP is GOOD

...maybe they're right and Result can do the work alone, but, I'd better find that there's either a named Unit/None/Bottom or else a syntax for creating a universally equal value to that effect, or I'm going to be annoyed at the miss.

The crime of null was making it implicitly possible Anywhere, without talking about it clearly.

Maybe/optional already address that.

Being precious about not having a stdlib/prelude/whatever type called none/empty/unit/etc strikes me as purely strange. 🤷 and prob net neg but i should wait+see ig.

www.roc-lang.org/faq#option-t... weirds me out a little. It's valid to call null bad names but having a default-named unit type is not imo a bad thing.

Starting a peano arith from unit on up is also theoretically pure.

I basically don't see any reason to be precious about this.

Love www.roc-lang.org/faq#import-e... and the aggro "no". This is also one of the things golang did right and I think effectively "all" languages that I consider as "serious" from here on out must do.

I like some things here! One of my first questions from tapping around the front page though is: are bang in function names an actual contract of some kind? Or is that vibe and "you should"? Because it's being presented energetically and if it's the latter my enthusiasm is going to invert..

👀👁️👁️

I have not, tho 😭

Way too much syntax maximalism.
Standard library is ass.
Toolchain nightmares abound.
Don't even wanna talk about the "nightlies" circus.
The autoformatters are a crime against attention spans and difftools alike.

It tries in some ways but it is not a good place right now.

Not *a lot* more expressiveness, mind. Golang's commitment to syntactic minimality IS virtue.

But we need
Sum Types,
exhaustive match checking,
less caveat-filled generics,
typed errors(!),
and a serious engagement with the syntactic burden of error handling, since it truly is a majority of code.

So desperate for a programming language to come along that has the toolchain quality of Go, and the type system and expressiveness of... literally anything a little more developed than Go.

It remains until to me if that material I was reading was *willfully* bad reporting and headlining, or if the author and editor was just kind of embarrassingly clueless.

+1, read several articles about datacenter water impacts and they buried the lede on this, SO hard. But once one dug into the article and the actual people quoted, it was pretty clear it was poorly planned construction impacts.

anyone doing simple websites on @tangled.org ?

whats the cool ways to hit a comparable experience to github pages? :D

Sometimes it's reading comprehension fail, sometimes it's outright psychosis.

How a screenshot, of all things, becomes a canvas for psychosis, I really don't know and can barely comprehend the irony of. And yet...

There's a certain kind of person (possibly having a certain kind of mental breakdown, idk) who thinks having a screenshot of your profile granted them automatic victory in an ad hominem battle that no one but them was playing.

I don't get it, but I'm starting to recognize it as a pattern. 🤷

"if you CAN tinker, it's empowering, if you MUST tinker, it's discouraging" @robin.berjon.com at #decidimfest on the difficulties of decentralized social media systems