Sam Paechter

Project Nettie: Scientists and academics supporting the biological reality of sex The Project Nettie statement

This is excellent, and long overdue.
tinyurl.com/3uec229r

So tiresome.

Especially when association with those people you're presumed to be associated with can be used as a smear to dismiss you. No need then to actually engage with any of your actual arguments.

And the response was to block me?
What exactly is achieved by refusing to have the conversation?

To be honest I thought my definition was pretty definitive.
But I'm still confused.
Do you think we should have male and female categories in sport?

Yet I'm still unsure as to whether you want to get rid of sex classes or keep them but redefine "sex".
Would you be able to enlighten me, Alice?

You're making it very complicated Alice.
It's simple.
Males (those with an active SRY gene on the Y chromosome) have an unfare advantage over females, so we protect a category for females.
Very simple.
Mostly a cheek swab, sometimes follow up tests.
But all can compete in the other category.

But are you arguing to abandon sex classes altogether?
That's would at least be consistent, if unfair on women.
Or are you arguing to keep the sex classes but allow some males to compete in the women's category?

Phelps had a small advantage at the time over other men.
His records are now broken, which shows how small the advantage was.
Male advantage is a category advantage.
A large percentage of men beat all women.

You've just pointed out one of the aspects of male advantage, there, Alice.
Sports categories are not based on identity, they're based on sex and for good reason.
The fact that some males take hormones that might reduce their advantage is not an argument to admit them into a different sex category.

It's really worth seeking her out - her FB profile has a lot of videos on it.
She's seriously unhinged.
And yet she'd the go-to doctor for any teenagers or adults who want cross sex hormones.
Scary.

Once a baddie always a baddie.

That's funny coming from you, today, Felix.
You've gone on and on and on and on.
So much waffle!
All adding up to "you're a baddy and I don't listen to baddies".

I rest my case.
Thanks for illustrating it so well Felix

Ah, he's gone.
And he'll go on thinking he's losing because we're the baddies, rather than he belongs to an authoritarian, misogynistic child mutilating cult and normal people have started to notice and want none of it.

Always with the false equivalence.
Arguing for males to enter women's sports, rape crisis centres, prisons and other places where women and girls are vulnerable is nothing like Gay rights or anti-racism.
As for arguing that gender non-conforming children need drugs and genital surgery.....

Unless your child is a figment of your imagination, they most definitely exist.
Whether the path you're cheering them down is in their best interests - now that's another matter.

How can they imagine blocking us is a sustainable policy?
They still think we're just baddies.
Will they never contemplate the possibility that we might be winning because we're right?

Always useful to make sure you never hear any arguments you disagree with.
Do you not realise that the reason you're losing this fight is you've been so dependent on #NoDebate that haven't noticed your arguments are a bit shit and just collapse when competently challenged?

Show your absolute misogyny, why don't you?
Even an inadvertent reference to putting women who don't know their place in the ducking stool.
Are not even lesbians allowed a place away from men?

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You're arguing that because there are overlapping traits between male and female humans that sex is not binary?
I have quite a squeaky voice, that doesn't make me a bit female - because I'm male.

Fair enough.
Be interesting to see what happens next.

(NAL)
I think he still argues that "trans inclusive" "single sex" spaces are categorically unlawful.
What the Judge was getting at was that I might not win a case for discrimination for not also being allowed in that space.
But it's still discrimintation against the women who no longer have a SSS.

He's a boy with integrity.

I think you do speak for all of us, but possibly we want different judges sacked!

The point is he's nearly always right on points of law.
You can choose your lawyers by their partisan views if you like, but it won't help you.
I'm pleased the GC side is usually winning 'cos, having thought about it, I'm GC.
But if we were losing, the last thing I'd want is a KC giving shit advice.

He just speaks like a lawyer, Jenni.
He's one of the most respected academic lawyers in the country.
You can argue with his points if you like; I just thought you might be interested.
Some people on the GC side get cross when he says stuff we don't want to hear, but I've not known him be wrong.

Have you encountered Michael Foran, Laura?
It's worth reading what he has to say on this ⬆️ because he's got a much better record of being proved correct than Jolyon has.

That's the ticket, Katja, ensure you and your friends aren't exposed to anyone you disagree with.
You might actually have to think through your ideas and attempt a coherent position.
Scary.