Andrew Brown

Once again; Graham Platner's dad isn't your dad, and people can self-describe as being a history buff while maintaining they were "retarded" (his words, not mine) as a 23 year old marine.

Dude says he was a crayon eating dipshit at 23, where are you getting he was a history buff at that age?

Didn't you actually say this when you said the military was desperate for soldiers, lol?

Anyways, I have no idea why the tattoo wasn't detected. Whether it be intentional or not, it speaks to the frequency by which vets and soldiers will have problematic tattoos.

Is Platner stashing NAZI paraphernalia? My argument is that he was likely in denial about the thing on his chest being NAZI imagery - hence the Reddit posts where he's describing numerous vets having tattoos that are misconstrued as such.

Dumb, yes. Evidence of secret Israeli nazism? Naw.

I don't think it does. I never said it's too obscure for ANYBODY to know what it was. I think people who are hired by the government to check for hateful tattoos would be likely to know what it is, but a random 23 year old marine wouldn't...

That's pretty obvious, lol.

The state department contracts with Constellis. Platner was sub-contracted with Constellis, and was a security contracor with the state department.

The state department does significant amounts of vetting - probably much less nowadays, but in 2018, they did.

It's proof that many are are dumb enough to sign onto things - or do things - that support NAZIsm, even inadvertently. I don't see how voting for a fascist isn't indicative of that.

Those two are not mutually exclusive because the brass of the military and the hateful tattoo detection process isn't comprised of 23 year old marines

He was contracted with the State Department, he was put on diplomatic security with the U.S. ambassador. They have that tattoo vetting process as well.

J-Street describes itself as Zionist and wants further investment in Israel. Why would those who are against Israeli investment and aid, support J-Street just because they say they want a two state solution?

They were desperate for ambassador assistants in 2018? And again, how is this just not proving my point? Do you think I'm the one defending the U.S. military in this thread??? My point IS that there's NAZI imagery among many democracies' militaries in the world lol.

Did Platner say he had an intricate knowledge of NAZI imagery when he was a 23 year old marine?

yeah man I don't think "veterans tend to vote Republican" is a good defense for vets voting for the USA's orange version of Hitler?

Such imagery is officially banned by the brass - yet he had this imagery while being in the military, and working for the ambassador to Afghanistan.

Let's focus on this point, maybe?

I didn't put words in your mouth I quoted you directly. Again, this is incoherent. These people are against support for Israel of any kind, and likely don't think there's a possibility to support both israel and a two-state solution.

And, they certainly wouldn't support AIPAC's expansionism???

Given your discourse in this weird text thread I feel like you'd be celebrating a gif of jangly keys

I've argued he didn't know what the Totenkopf was, and that it isn't very uncommon but rather, most 23 year old Americans don't know what it is.

None of those things are moving goal posts or mutually exclusive.

Why are you concerned about my views relating to voter behavior, when I'm making normative critiques of Dem leadership's political rhetoric?

Can you stay on topic or are attention spans this bad nowadays?

The majority of U.S. vets voted for Donald Trump, could you put aside the moral grandstanding to live in reality?

"If I had learned... I wouldn't be in denial about it"

No shit, that's how denial works. This point is ridiculous. He was in the marines where NAZI-adjacent imagery was commonplace. I'd say that's pretty confusing, troubling and would lead to denial and says more about our military than Platner.

You said these people aren't attacking the expansionist agenda of AIPAC. How does this follow from that? Your responses to me seem incoherent.

By all means, but the conversation is about whether he's a NAZI. Isn't this moving the goal posts?

At a certain point, you're drawing pictures of fire and pretending like you're standing in the middle of a fire.

That's not moving the goal posts, what? My argument from the start has been that very few Americans especially 23 year old Marines would know what the Totenkopf is

I did not dodge the question whatsoever, and I don't think you were going to accept any answer to begin with.

Why, because of a rescinded qt, a podcast, and a tattoo he covered up?

You're just describing most white american veterans. they're just *stupid* and fascist imagery tends to draw upon pre-existing and often used masculine tropes. he literally said, anonymously on reddit, he wants to kill fasicsts

okay, do you think most 23 year old Americans even know how to spell Totenkopf? seriously?

You're using "benefit of the doubt" dishonestly because I'm arguing why those claims are ridiculous in the first place...

Yes, but he's so far down the chat chain it was a specific response regarding skull imagery and the punisher logo. If anything, this seems to be him in denial about his tattoo, not explicitly being aware that it's NAZI imagery. He's literally arguing it isn't lol.