(unofficial) Floraverse

even if you push past the alleged zoophilia/pedophilia they're just... not great people to be around, emotionally manipulative and abusive. There is maybe one person from that group that ever took some sort of accountability for the way I was treated but the rest still refuse to see any wrongdoing

Those are three very different things that everyone as individuals weighs individually differently. But for the people you are seeing talk about Sam, the combination the personal needle of what is okay to point at Sam being more of a perpetrator then a victim.

You are seeing what you are seeing with Sam because everyone has their own personal 'gauge' of what is okay.
The combination of frequently commissioning Glip, the position of leadership, and Sam using her high-authority position in furry spaces to lie about the safety of the Flora community...

Is she the **main driver** of that abuse? No, of course not. But it would also be completely wrong to say the abuse would continue as is if Sam and people like her in the same position stepped away.

And it's a **choice** to not step away.

I use the phrase "position of leadership" because practically speaking, Sam has moderator privileges. That comes with influence and actual power of authority in the group *and abuse* dynamics itself.

On a fundamental level, Sam plays a non-insignificant role in facilitating the abuse.

There are a lot of gray areas when it comes to this sort of thing. It's not just a black and white designation of 'victim' and 'perpetrator' for a majority of members. A person can be a victim of a cult in a lot of ways, but also the *perpetrator* (or in Sam's case, *enabler*) of abuse to another.

If Glip did not have people like Sam to buy commissions, then it would not matter if Glip (they/them) wanted to continue commission work as selling commissions that no one is buying, does not actually bring in money.

Sam is a *frequent* commissioner of Glip.

It doesn't matter if Sam "genuinely believes" in scenes and doesn't *think* she's doing harm in the same way it doesn't matter if a Harry potter fan thinks they aren't causing harm by buying the books and merchandise. Because objectively speaking, that money is going to things that **cause harm.**

It's exactly the same as how JKR is able to fund the manifestation of her transphobia into legislation because people buy harry potter - but on a significantly smaller scale.

When I say Sam helps fund the abuse I mean the group operational logistics with time specifically are just realistically not there without sources of income like Sam.

To be blunt: Glip wouldn't be able to realistically manage, let alone demand people partaking in 25+ hour long role plays if Glip themselves had to get any job that required their attention on anything but the group for any regularly-occurring meaningful periods of time.

Floraverse, the community is able to operate as it does because Floraverse, the community is able to provide enough general commissions and funds to Glip, the leader, to be able to live day to day with very few other known means of income...and spend all their time with the community.

Understand what when I say Sam is "in a position of leadership in the cult" I do not mean "sam is a cult leader". I am being very deliberate with my words and I did not say "cult leader". There typically is only a singular cult leader in cults, and this is true with Floraverse - it's Glip.

Quillion was, to my knowledge featured in a single floraverse comic in which Alice rapes him.

It's up to you if that counts or not.

I'm sorry, but for the sake of clarifcation how would you describe an indivdual who is in a tertiary position of authority of a cult and helps manage and maintain it that isn't "being in a position of leadership"?

3. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if that Floraverse character you mentioned as maybe being the 2nd coming of shroomsworth is actually a reimiagination of your husband, they would be a 3rd coming, not 2nd.

Quillion was directly stated to be floraverse shroomsworth.

2. You 🤝 Me
NEVER understanding Floraverse as a fictional world and story and having it hurt our heads.

As both projects are collaborative I think pmde had an easier time being comprehensible on a basic level because of the solid world building from pokemon prior it was built on as a foundation.

Hey! Just finished the video. A few thoughts I had:

1. I definetly remember glip saying they disliked how static Chills 'cool guy' personality was when that change happened. Even though I don't remember where, the fact we both recall it probably means it def happened.

I need to watch this and have a ton of repressed memories return.

Oh...my god????

I understand were you are coming from, and generally I would agree. But the false idea of Sam just being a normal member of the group (and ergo a victim) is common enough that I always see value in publicly correcting.

Even if the individual I happen to be correcting won't care, an on-looker might.

That is why people talk about Sam's connection with Flora. Sam is an active partipant in *enforcing* the dangerous, abusive behaviors in the community. Funding it via comms to Glip, using her influence to mislead people about the dangers of the group, and whispering slander about victims who got out

Sam partaking in the rps isn't relevant by itself because someone just BEING in the community (and being required to do the rps) isn't reason for condemntation alone. It is a cult, so partipation **by itself** especially for non-leaders makes one a victim.

**But Sam is in a leadership position.**

Hey jsyk the information you are working off of is completely wrong.

Sam is in a leadership position (monitor), and unless you partake in the rp you're not even getting in the community.
All flora vns that include Maya are Sams Rps. There was a 25 hour rp that was majority sam/glip/pengo in 11/2021

...It would have been way too obvious that this is fucking non-logic is only being presented to DARVO and silence abuse victims.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh that's probably why she was so vague about it. If she was up front with "I was wrong to call out this dickhead transphobe out because it's harassment call the transphobe a transphobe publicly just like how it is to call an abuser an abuser publicly"

Hey, I hope you're okay. This is horrific.

I think when she said "I can't directly apologize to people" in the so vague it's meaningless reference to other people she hurt I think that was more an admission of the inability to reflect on ones actions and actually tell people "I'm sorry." then it was the logistical "I'm blocked" implication.

situation, because she was harassed for trying to do good in the world and help animals. It's sick.

This is shit only unchecked narcissism could manage to do

While doing this, she and Maddie insensitively used the suicide of Mikayla from Save a Fox to compare the backlash they received from supporting and enabling predators and antagonizing victims (the "harassment" they claim is worse than any sexual abuse) to her