Beyond Existence

YouTube video by Linkin Park Two Faced (Official Music Video) - Linkin Park

This is awesome!

Replacing an iconic singer might be the hardest trial for a band. We saw countless failings at that.

But that does not seem to be the case for #linkinpark. They respected their legacy and graciously carried on.

What are your thoughts on this?

#musicsky

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YouTube video by Helloween HELLOWEEN - Halloween (Official Music Video)

No big texts today.
Just a the wishes of a "happy, happy Halloween."

#metalsky #metal #powermetal #halloween #helloween

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It's over 9000.

YouTube video by StratovariusChannel Stratovarius - Hunting High and Low [HD] (official video)

Now, as a pre-teen in the 90's, #stratovarius was a name that took a while to memorize.

Just the name, though, because this song kicked my prepubescent ass to kingdom come, just to bring me right back with this infectious chorus.

Who remembers them?

#metalsky #powermetal
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YouTube video by Helloween HELLOWEEN - I Want Out (Official Music Video)

Following the You-Guys-Getting-To-know-Me thread (urgently need a better name for this), here comes a new one.

Or an old one...

On the same night I was introduced to #Edguy, I was bombarded with a lot more. #Helloween and the Keepers were among them.

Legends!

#metalsky

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Such a shame they went on a hiatus. They're one of those bands that are very energetic and have one of those weird sense of humor that are just infectious.

Hopefully, we can see a return in the near future.

When Metallica were good, they were great. You can't create a Master of Puppets without experience and being amazing composers.

The point was never to pick between And Justice... or Powerslave, but to remember and discuss the history of metal and, subsequently, our own beginnings. 🤘

The hardest part is to actually be able to separate our personal taste to look at it from a neutral position.

I don't listen to them much either.
I've spent more time with Metallica, but I've always been partial to Maiden. I can't tell you why, but Aura might have something to do with it.

This is the bigger question this conversation should tackle.

If we forget about genres and only focus on musicians, and if then we compare fanbases, how fair is it to say Britney Spears had more impact than Black Sabbath?

Even in Pop she wasn't as important as Madonna but her fanbase was bigger.

I agree with you partially. And now I'm gonna extrapolate all this.

I also think Metallica has the largest section, as well as most metal bands are influenced by both of them.

But is the number of fans enough to categorize the weight of a band? Were Tokyo Hotel that important for their industry? 😈

Of course, Metallica is much more mainstream. It's the biggest gateway into metal because it's easier to bump into Enter Sandman or Nothing Else Matters than into Fear of The Dark or Number of The Beast.

There's a reason Master of Puppets and the black album are two of the greatest records ever.

When I was young, especially when this discussion popped up some 20 years ago, I really didn't like that argument.

But you're right, though. Nowadays, we can just be pragmatic and see the influences and the weight Metallica had on the wide public without even noticing it.

Eventually, they did.

Definitely.

This argument started more or less because of that.

Some of my friends got into metal via Metallica, and in one of those philosophical debates on how metal grew and developed, we got into this question. Me and a friend very pro Maiden while the rest was Metallica.

We got nowhere. 🤣

There still was a 6-year gap between the formation of both bands plus a Maiden demo, 3 records, and in '83, Maiden also released Powerslave.

It might not look like much, but the difference in experience and name by the time Metallica released Kill Em All was already something worth mentioning.

Oh, that's not what I meant.

The new wave of British heavy metal and the bay are of thrash metal do share some things, but they're two very diferent beasts.

Metallica didn't just surf the wave. They were the biggest face of a new subgenre. I meant they helped in bringing metal to the masses.

I would go even further as to say that you don't even need to be in the beginning to mention your influences.

I like Ayreon, and I will always like Ayreon. Regardless of how I feel about wearing other bands' shirts, I don't think it should ever be a problem to show/mention your references.

That was always something that rubbed me off the wrong way. Some band members were very pro as using other bands' shirts in concerts or even clips, but for some reason, it never felt right with me. To each their own, I guess, but it's not for me either.

Diferent audiences, maybe (the different itch you mentioned). The 10-year gap might also explain the cultural differences both within the band, the audience, and the world in general. One helped define something, while the other projected it.

Well, in Maiden's defense, being part of a band that helps define a genre as vast as Metal, it's hard to acknowledge other bands mostly because there were not many other bands that would fit the category (maybe other than Sabbath and Priest).

Oh, it will very much tie to your opinion, no doubt about it.

It's time you won't get back... BUUUT, I would recommend a single spin. It's an experience. Plus, cannonicly speaking, it's where we learn James is the table. It's worth it for that alone. 🤣

Those numbers are undeniable. There are no arguments against facts and all, but is the number of fans an exact representation of the weight of a band in history?

I think there's a bigger discussion to be had here. 🤔

Definitely. Sabbath, Priest, and Maiden defined the metal genre some 10 years before the appearance of Metallica.

Separating them in time so we can give them both the praise they demand is very wise.

Hahaha
Don't we all have those opinions? We should really sit down and discuss what the hell was LuLu.

Roughly, maybe. I mean, the Bay Area of Thrash Metal was as much an attitude movement as it was a musical one, so even without Maiden, you would still have a bunch of musicians with a lot of pent up aggression that needed to be unleashed.

As long as Motörhead existed, I think they would exist, too.

I would go even further and say that we've been silently witnessing an absurd number of people that listen to metal. We're just not given it through the more mainstream media.

Should one of those big channels start betting on the metal horse, I'm sure it would become the next big musical boom.

I'm with you. It has to be Maiden. Sabbath and Priest should be there too, as the creators of the genre. I don't think I would bring in Motörhead in the beginning, but I do understand the argument.

I got in through Power Metal, so my relation with them was the same as yours with Metallica. I wouldn't go as far as to call them lucky, but they did know how to surf the wave.

The change in the black album, then again on Load and Reload, and then again on St Anger, they were all on purpose.

Totally agree. When you're innovative enough that you create a new genre, you deserve a place in history.

I have zero numbers that can beat those, honestly. I'll argue, though, that without Maiden, there would be no Metallica. As such, wouldn't Maiden be more important?

I mean, without the egg, there would be no chicken, but the egg would exist anyway, made by a different animal. 😁

Right?
It's like choosing between both parents, though.