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Memorial to Dr Robert Ferrar, bishop of St David’s, burnt at the stake in the market square of Carmarthen in 1555, during the reign of Philip and Mary.

Dan I must join at some point for one of your talks. Do you regularly do them at Arnos Vale? It would be great to catch up and I do love cemeteries (and have never been to AV yet in 16 years in Bristol - shocking!).

Is not a viable stand-in for liberalism, in my view, hence why I read it differently.

Fair enough, I should have used ‘shouldn’t’ rather than ‘can’t’. Being able to do something doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s the best approach to understanding historical processes. I just don’t see the comparison, because the C-R wasn’t only (or primarily) about reacting and Protestantism

I actually make the opposite reading here, in that a) we can't reduce the conflicts of the Reformations to a battle between goodies and baddies following Anglocentric Protestant narratives and b) we can't look at the Marian persecution (or any EM persecution) with modern lenses.

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There have been 59 royal arrests in UK history – Charles I was not the last before Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor Often it was family members calling for arrest over fears of succession.

'Most arrested royals were accused of treason and conspiracy, but these charges were often compounded with accusations of heresy and witchcraft.'

Dr @gvb1554.bsky.social (@uobrishistory.bsky.social) reflects on the history of royal arrests for The Conversation

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A great article and a must for anyone with an interest in Marian England, early modern persecution, the English Reformation and refreshing, less Anglo-centric historiographical perspectives.

There have been 59 royal arrests in UK history – Charles I was not the last before Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor Often it was family members calling for arrest over fears of succession.

Often it was family members calling for arrest over fears of succession.

Sophia Dorothea of Celle was arrested and divorced accused of adultery in 1694. When George became king in 1714 she remained imprisoned and died in custody in 1726.

3 of Charles's children were held too and one of them, Elizabeth, died in custody in 1650. In 1685 James II arrested and executed his nephew, Monmouth, after he rebelled against him. James was himself held briefly by William and Mary, & the latter arrested Mary's uncle twice. Finally George I's wife

There have been 59 royal arrests in UK history – Charles I was not the last before Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor Often it was family members calling for arrest over fears of succession.

Link broken, for some reason. Here it is: theconversation.com/there-have-b...

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Fair enough, but he was a royal, and he was arrested!

I've written a short piece for @uk.theconversation.com on royal prisoners in the past. Andrew's arrest might be unusual in modern times, but it's certainly not unprecedented! I've identified 58 previous royals so far (surely there are more) theconversation.com/there-have-b...

Last time the sibling of a monarch was arrested was 1554, when Princess Elizabeth was taken to the Tower for conspiring against her sister, Mary I. She was the moved & released after King Philip interceded in 1555. Last brother of the monarch was George, Duke of Clarence, executed by Edward IV 1478.

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And I'm probably missing a few anyway, and we shouldn't forget more distant relatives and other people related to the royal family by marriage. Feel free to add names that I might have forgotten in comments!

I see the point you're making and I agree to a certain extent in the differences, but think this is looking at it from a very modern perpective. A) it remains true that the arrest of a royal relative is not unprecedented and B) most of these people were also arrested under *their* rule of law.

While we're on historical parallels, I'm thinking today of Tudor lord Walter Hungerford, whose wife's complaints of domestic abuse were ignored until his patron Thomas Cromwell got in trouble. Only then did people start paying attention. He went to the block in 1540 alongside Cromwell.

If we look at it with modern lenses, sure. But the vast majority of the people in my list were accused of what was seen as a major crime, treason. There are exceptions, ofc, the Brittany siblings, princes in the Tower, etc but many others had committed crimes, even if we don’t see them as such now.

there’s quite a lot of people in Henry’s list, so easy to miss! 😆

She’s there in Henry VIII part 3!

James VI&I:
Arbella Stuart, 1C, 1610-15, DIC

James II:
James Scott, nephew, 1685, EX

William and Mary:
Henry Hyde, Mary's uncle, 1690 & 1691, R

George I:
Sophia Dorothea of Celle, wife, 1694-1726, DIC

Mary & Philip:
Jane Grey, 1C1R, 1553-54, EX
Henry Grey, 1C's husband, 1554, EX
Elizabeth Tudor, sister, 1554-55, R

Elizabeth I:
Katherine Grey, 1C1R, 1561-68 DIC
Mary Grey, 1C1R, 1565-1572, R
Margaret Douglas, 1C, 1565-67 & 1574-76, R
Mary, Queen of Scots, 1C1R, 1568-87, EX

Henry VIII (contd 2):
Margaret Pole, 1C1R, 1538-41, EX
Katherine Howard, wife, 1542, EX
Jane Boleyn, s-in-law, 1542, EX

Edward VI:
Thomas Seymour, U, 1549, EX
Edward Seymour, U, 1549-50, R and 1551-52, EX
Anne Seymour, aunt by marriage, 1549 and 1551-53 R

Henry VIII (contd):
Edward of Buckingham, 1C1R, 1521, EX
Katherine of Aragon, wife, 1531-36, DIC
Anne Boleyn, wife, 1536, EX
George Boleyn, b-in-law, 1536, EX
Margaret Douglas, niece, 1536, R
Henry Courtenay, 1C, 1538, EX
Henry Pole, 2C, 1538-39, EX

Henry VII:
Edward of Warwick, wife's 1C, 1485-99, EX
William de la Pole, wife's 1C, 1501-39, DIC
Edmund de la Pole, wife's 1C, 1506-13, EX

Henry VIII (this one took a while to compile 🤪):
William de la Pole, 1C1R, as above
Edmind de la Pole, 1C1R, as above

Henry VI (contd):
Edmund Beaufort, 1C1R, 1454, R

Edward IV:
Henry VI, 2nd cousin (2C), 1465-70, R and 1471 DIC/M
George of Clarence, brother, 1478, EX

Richard III:
Edward V, nephew, 1483, disappeared
Richard of York, nephew, 1483, disappeared

Henry IV (contd):
Constance of York, 1 C, 1405, R

Henry V:
Richard of Cambridge, 1C once removed (1C1R), 1415, EX
Joan of Navarre, stepmother, 1419-22, R

Henry VI:
Eleanor Cobham, aunt by marriage, 1441-1452, DIC
Humphrey of Gloucester, uncle (U), 1447, DIC