Kotodama 言霊's Avatar

Kotodama 言霊

@kotodama-nikki.bsky.social

History of the Japonic Languages, Word by Word 日琉語族の沿革、一言ずつ Disclaimer: All examples are speculative and any errors are the author's own. Please reach out with any corrections or further info in the comments!

10 Followers  |  7 Following  |  67 Posts  |  Joined: 20.01.2025  |  2.1589

Latest posts by kotodama-nikki.bsky.social on Bluesky

pAA  *dɔːl     'to prop, support'
> tər
pJ   *tər >
WOJ  tor      'take, hold in hand'
NJ   toru     'take, hold'      取る

19.06.2025 14:46 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 0    📌 0

pAA  *ɓəm    'have in mouth'
> pam
pJ   *pam >
WOJ  pam    'eat'
NJ   hamu    'to eat (grass, fodder)' 食む

pAA  *meːl    'to look at'
> mər
WOJ  mor     'to watch'
NJ   mamoru   'to protect'      守る

19.06.2025 14:46 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

pAA  *tuːm     'collection, accumulation'
> tum
pJ   *tum >
WOJ  tume    'collect, hoard'
WOJ  tumor   'pile up'
WOJ  tutum   'pile up to stop flow'
NJ   tsumeru  'stuff into, jam'     詰める
NJ   tsumoru  'to pile up, accumulate' 積もる
NJ   tsutsumu  'to wrap up'      包む

19.06.2025 14:46 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

pAA  *ʔətˀ    'lack, cease'
> ət.ə
pJ   *ətə >
WOJ  otor    'be inferior'
NJ   otoru    'be inferior' 劣る

pAA  *ʔaːŋ    'to open, gape'
> aŋ.a
pJ   *ana >
WOJ  ana     'hole'
NJ   ana     'hole'    穴

pAA  *kəl     'fell trees (v.)'
> kər
pJ   *kər >
WOJ  kor     'cut wood'

19.06.2025 14:46 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

pAA (proto-Austroasiatic)

pAA  *koan   'child'
> koa
pJ   *koa >
WOJ  kwo    'child'
NJ   ko     'child'   子

pAA  *Csuːm   'nest'
> su
pJ   *su >
WOJ  su     'nest'
NJ   su     'nest'    巣

pAA   *ktam   'egg'
> tam.a
pJ   *tama >
WOJ  tama    'jewel, pearl'
NJ   tamago   'egg'    卵

19.06.2025 14:46 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0
Preview
Austroasiatic languages - Wikipedia

proto-Austroasiatic loans in Japonic ?

Austroasiatic is the language family that includes Vietnamese, Khmer, Munda languages, and more

proto-Austroasiatic is suggested to be about 4000 years old. However, the donor language and time of borrowing is uncertain.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austroa...

19.06.2025 14:46 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

Old Chinese, proto-Indo-European 'wheel'
*kərə and *kuru

bsky.app/profile/koto...
コロコロ
くるくる

19.06.2025 09:29 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 0    📌 0

Chinese Grammar

bsky.app/profile/koto...
are 'I, me'
が ga subject particle
nare 'you'
の no genitive particle

19.06.2025 09:29 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

Old Chinese + Austronesian

bsky.app/profile/koto...
張る haru 'stretch'
込む komu 'be crowded'
掃く haku 'to broom'
突く tsutsuku 'to poke'

bsky.app/profile/koto...
注ぐ sosogu 'pour over'
濯ぐ susugu 'rinse'
裂く saku 'to tear'
叩く tataku 'to hit'
搗く tsuku 'to pound rice'
枯れる kareru 'to wither'
関 seki 'barrier'

19.06.2025 09:29 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

Old Chinese - Japonic Glossary

bsky.app/profile/koto...
赤 aka 'red'
成る naru 'become'
頃 koro 'time'
立つ tatsu 'stand'
州 tu 'port, harbor' (WOJ)
(NJ 津島 'Tsushima')
乳母 uba 'nursing woman'
着く tsuku 'arrive'
金 kane 'metal'
語る kataru 'tell'
燃える moeru 'burn'

#japanese #linguistics #chinese #austronesian

19.06.2025 09:29 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 𤈦 *m̥əjʔ    'burn'
> məj(ʔ)
pJ *məj >
WOJ   mwoye/moye 'burn, feel passion'
NJ 燃える      'burn, get fired up'
NJ 燃やす      'to burn something'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 0    📌 0

OC 曰 *ɢʷat    'say'
> k(ʷ)at
pJ *kat >
WOJ   katar   'tell, relate'
NJ 語る kataru   'talk about, tell'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 鋼 *s.kˤaŋ  'cast iron; steel'
> kaŋ.a
pJ *kana(y)
WOJ   kana-bata 'metal loom'
WOJ   kane   'metal'
NJ 金  kane   'money, metal'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 就 *dzuk-s  'go to'
> tuk
pJ *tuk >
WOJ   tuku   'to arrive'
NJ 着く tsuku  'to arrive at, reach at'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 媼 *ʔˤuʔ   'old woman'
> (ʔˤ)u(ʔ)
pJ *u-n-pa(pa)
NJ 乳母 uba   'nursing woman'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 洲 *tu    'islet'
OC 州 *tu    'islet in stream; province'
>
pJ *tu >
WOJ   tu    'port, harbor'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 逝 *dat-s  'go to'
> tat >
pJ *tat >
WOJ   tat   'stand, depart'
NJ 立つ tatsu  'stand'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 堇 *grər  'time, season'
> k(r)ər.ə >
pJ *kərə >
WOJ   koro  'time'
NJ 頃  koro  'time (around)'

Voiced consonants in Japonic are not allowed initially so it is devoiced (medially, they occur because of a nasal cluster: ex. nk > g)

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 產 *s-ŋrarʔ 'bear (v.), produce'
> ŋ(r)ar(ʔ) >
pJ *nar >
WOJ   nar  'become, grow, be born'
NJ 成る naru  'become, grow'

Consonant clusters reduce the first syllable and the final glottal is lost

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 2    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

If the first example is right, r is lost. An echo vowel (ak > aka) is added to account for Japonic's lack of consonant finals and tendancy towards bisyllabic nouns

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

More Old Chinese Loans in Japonic

OC 赫 *qʰˤrak      'red, fiery'
OC 奭 *qʰak {*[qʰ](r)Ak}  'red'
> (q)rak.a/(q)ak.a >
pJ *aka >
WOJ   aka 'red'
NJ 赤  aka 'red'

19.06.2025 09:06 — 👍 1    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 1

Following posts will explore other Southeast Asian comparisons, such as proto-Tai and proto-Austroasiatic. Both appear to have a number of significant family terms which help support a hypothesis of an early Southeast Asian Japonic Urheimat

19.06.2025 08:01 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 0    📌 0

Therefore, Japonic may have early origins along the Chinese coast (maybe the Yangtze river, as has been proposed by Elmer (2019)), where it had heavy linguistic influence/divergence with Austronesian; then moved north along the coast, meeting Old Chinese speakers before bringing wet rice to Korea

19.06.2025 08:01 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

Approximately ~185 loans in proto Austronesian branches (including proto-(Western)-Malayo-Polynesian and proto-Philippines) have been identified (research in review). This number greatly exceeds that of other external comparisons, such as with Korean. Suggesting the relationship may even be genetic

19.06.2025 08:01 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

Japonic has recently been observed to have genetic affiliations with Yellow River farmers, related to Sino-Tibetans, and has mostly monosyllabic verbs. These verbs are reduplicated to fit Austronesian's bisyllabic phonotactics. The number of Old Chinese loans in Japonic show a long and old history

19.06.2025 08:01 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

That means there must have been some amount of loaning or even genetic divergence of these words spread across the Urheimat (homeland) of these languages
Old Chinese (North China)
Japonic (Korean peninsula and Japanese archipelago)
Austronesian (Taiwan and (Island) Southeast Asia)

19.06.2025 08:01 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

Sino-Austronesian Triplets Explained

The existence of words that appear phonologically (by sound) and semantically (by meaning) related in Old Chinese, proto-Austronesian primarily, and Japonic shows a lexical continuum across the Chinese coast.

19.06.2025 08:01 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 啄 *mə-tˤ<r>ok  'to peck'
pAN   *tuktuk     'beak of a bird; to peck'
pJ    *tu(k)tuk > WOJ: tutuk 'peck at'

Paiwan (AN): tjuktjuk   'beak (of a bird)'
NJ 突く tsutsuku    'to poke, peck at (food)'

19.06.2025 07:47 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 0    📌 0

OC 拍 *mə-pʰˤrak  'to strike'
pAN   *bakbak  'sound of heavy clapping or pounding'
pJ    *pak > WOJ: pak 'sweep'

Saisiyat (AN): bakbak 'strike with a piece of bamboo'
NJ 掃く haku    'to sweep, brush'

19.06.2025 07:47 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

OC 函 *Cə-m-kˤəm 'envelop, contain
pAN   *gemgem   'hold in the fist'
pJ    *kəm- > WOJ: kome 'enclose'

Rukai (AN): wa-gəmgəm 'squeeze in the hand'
NJ 込む komu   'to be crowded, packed'

19.06.2025 07:47 — 👍 0    🔁 0    💬 1    📌 0

@kotodama-nikki is following 7 prominent accounts