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finished umineko and i cant believe how not overhyped it was that was phenomenal

the remake basically just uses a different combat system imo

its funny this is about trails because i was about to say without looking at the og post its like the only massive franchise that this doesnt hold up in. they built like 4 different entry points that are more or less 3 different turn-based combat systems then you can go back for the lore if desired

yes

oh yeah the narrative of the article sucks lmao

"we USE ai, but our game wont CONTAIN it" is a clarification that no one has ever cared about & now CEOs are using it as a wedge to get their foot in the door as a part of a long term plan into normalizing AI, just like how 'it's just placeholder' was used with E33. dont cede even an inch of ground

when people already knew how bad ai was. its become more obvious as time has gone on but artists have been on this train for a while. simply put they just hope nobody cares enough

of course I'm more than happy to forgive if they acknowledge their wrongdoing and show they will change for their next project. But as it stands sandfall has the same policy that larian has touted. e33 can still of course make a statement and make good but ai was used in the creation of the game

both him and vincke have now posted something along the lines of "we still have concept artists we just use genai to pass ideas to them" and dont seem to understand why people are angry with them for that

The low-cost creative revolution: How technology is making art accessible to everyone Low-budget films like ‘Flow’ and ‘The Brutalist’ and video games like Clair Obscur are competing with major productions thanks to accessible tools like AI and free software

i was also recently pointed to an article where the e33 producer says that they use ai "but not much" english.elpais.com/culture/2025...

The low-cost creative revolution: How technology is making art accessible to everyone Low-budget films like ‘Flow’ and ‘The Brutalist’ and video games like Clair Obscur are competing with major productions thanks to accessible tools like AI and free software

ah i was shown an article (english.elpais.com/culture/2025...) where the producer just admits it was used im e33. speculatively they seem to have the same internal policy as larian but are just quieter about it.

otherwise the profit incentive that guides their hand will simply throw anti-ai to the wolves if theyve ever been caught once

im not gonna tell you to change your mind since we all have our lines in the sand, i would only say clemency is worthwhile for those who come out, admit it was a mistake, and show a pattern of improvement (ie sandfalls next game if they come out against genai)

totally, i dont hold projects individual artists work on against them, but even the producer behind e33 has said they used ai, and broche broche wasnt willing to have an opinion. thats 2 too many high ups in the process for (at least me) to trust sandfall without a public statement

The low-cost creative revolution: How technology is making art accessible to everyone Low-budget films like ‘Flow’ and ‘The Brutalist’ and video games like Clair Obscur are competing with major productions thanks to accessible tools like AI and free software

english.elpais.com/culture/2025... anyone seeing this just now heres the producer of e33 saying sandfall and e33 use ai

oh yeah i mean it wasnt much for sure, but it was more than the nothing that the "artistic" and "meaningful" game got is all i meant. especially after tga's

real artists goodwill (and good opinions). there has to be unambiguous condemnation of the practice from the entity itself (or the leader of the project) otherwise it will continue to be normalized

thats admittedly my main issue though, Broche/sandfall remained ambiguous so they get the "benefit of the doubt." in the article even vincke says there are people there who dont like it and im sure there are bg3 artists who dont like ai either. but we cant let companies take advantage of (1/2)

yeah exactly and the "maybe" is just too much for me. it just reads like broche/sandfall are better at PR than larian or alters, getting the "benefit of the doubt" because he/sandfall didnt take a stance (or be made to take one, since so few people were vocal about it)

oh totally, theres no moral condemnation for anyone who accidentally buys somwthing with gen ai in it, but the devs or compant behind it need to be held to something for thinking they could trick people by hiding it

i almost agree, but sandfall never called it a fly or anything dirty. they saw it on the plate before most customers an removed it, hoping they wouldnt notice

any chance you could point me to the apology? ive scoured their website and socials and have never seen anything but would be happy to be wrong (as ive heard e33 is otherwise good). outside of the aside from the wapo interview that just acknowledged it without opinion though I havent seen anything

not a review for e33 i meant eurogamer and aftermath wrote pieces about arc. aftermath also had something about ai in general that mentioned e33 but nothign specific.

actually you touch on specifically what my issue is. without an unambiguous statement about why it happened and their stance on it there can only be speculation-which benefits them because people are willing to give a "good" game benefit of the doubt

i mean it can be both. but there was still real pushback (eurogamer, aftermath) against arc. theres been basically nothing but praise for e33 as a more "artistic" and "meaningful" game that "brought the genre forward" and little mention let alone condemnation for its gen ai usage

i admit i am incredibly anti-ai and knowing it was used taints the whole game in my eyes. but i believe an official statement denouncing ai would go a long way. sandfall/broche to my knowledge has never said anything besides this, so i still havent bought or played e33

Gene Park on X: "I also asked about AI art being used in expedition 33. i didn’t include it in the story because it wasn’t new info and didn’t fit with the piece. but Broche confirmed someone did use an AI generated placeholder texture that they forgot to right click on and remove." / X I also asked about AI art being used in expedition 33. i didn’t include it in the story because it wasn’t new info and didn’t fit with the piece. but Broche confirmed someone did use an AI generated placeholder texture that they forgot to right click on and remove.

x.com/GenePark/sta... confirmed he knew it was used, but was forgotten to be removed. which seems to be the same policy larian is adopting/has adopted (not supposed to be in the final game but "fine" for "production")

granted if they come out and make an official statement explaining it I am more than willing to forgive, they just havent