Raymond Liehm

Not many people can claim a steam train at their wedding.

I'm getting married today.

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Is that why the Dems are often considered centre-right by the metric of other western democracies?

Is that why the Democrats are constantly capitulating to the GOP? To stop the USA "going further right"?

Or why they're always trying to appeal to the centre right for votes while Trump and the GOP don't give a damn what the left wants?

If you believe that, I think you may be the idiot yourself.

1. A margin of 50 states is, mathematically speaking, a virtual impossibility.

2. The Democrats could run Ronald fucking Reagan and the GOP would still call him a "socialist". They may as well own it and run someone progressive.

If you genuinely wanted us to come to Christ, then you should have done a better job at defending your position.

Instead of evidence, all we got was preaching and bad thinking.

I genuinely hope you can someday realise what you're getting wrong, and learn some critical thinking skills.

There is certainly at least one fool here.

I can't believe you would be so obtuse as to not be able to recognise or admit that. It's like claiming that the sky is neon green and refusing to back down when someone directs you to a window.

You cited a meme saying that the more someone understands science, the more likely they are to believe in god.

The statistics of what actual, trained scientists believe say the opposite.

None of that has any direct bearing on whether god actually exists, but the stats are relevant to your claim.

When they start spamming Bible verses like that should count for something, I don't see much thoughtfulness at all.

"Only the truth matters."

*throws away a true fact that doesn't agree with their ideology*

Posted by the person unable to provide a scrap of evidence for their god when challenged.

"Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster. All hail his noodley appendage."

See? I can play that game too.

I could say exactly the same thing to you, and it would carry exactly as much weight.

Do better. For your own sake.

"I know a secret, but if I told you I'd have to kill you."

This verse is the equivalent of spiritual masturbation.

For god so loved the world that he created people who through no fault of their own were destined for hell.

So many words to say absolutely nothing.

Keep projecting your own failure to defend your beliefs on to others.

Just don't be surprised when you don't end up convincing anyone.

So I can't discover god unless he explicitly calls me?

Then how is it my fault if I don't end up a Christian?

What about all the people god sends to hell? Did he never call them? Is god just creating people knowing or even intending that they will end up in eternal torment?

Cool story 😎.

I did *exactly* what you said I needed to do to be saved. X, Y, Z. That fact that I didn't find god doesn't fit your narrow worldview, so now you have to write me off as a stubborn disbeliever who won't hear what you have to say.

I am sorry for you, that this is the best thinking you can manage.

I do want to be right. In the words of another atheist, I want to hold as many true beliefs and as few false ones as possible.

That's why I am an atheist.

Just because we don't agree with your conclusions, it doesn't mean we don't understand.

What an absolute cop out.

I have pointed out that what you call evidence is not evidence.

I am open to being convinced. I am literally asking you, repeatedly, to convince me.

And instead of owning the fact that you can't, you hang all your failures on me.

Do better.

I left Christianity because I could not find good evidence for the existence of god, and because I found that what the Bible taught didn't match up with reality.

To have a hope of converting me back, you need to start with that evidence. If you can't do that, I'm done.

Look, my patience is not infinite.

Your X/Y/Z scenario is coming apart, and you're scrambling to patch it up with ad-hoc rationalisations.

You still haven't provided any good reason to believe your god exists, which was the entire point of this conversation.

I'm not here to be evangelised to.

Why is that relevant?

Right, so we are doing a "no true scotsman" / "moving the goalposts" fallacy then. I fulfilled your requirements and didn't reach your conclusion, so I must not have done Christianity right.

Your argument isn't with me. It's with every other denomination that disagrees with you.