Arya 🏳️‍⚧️

I'm off to Repair Café to fix people's broken paperbacks, or install Linux on their old laptops, or help them with open source software, or threading a toy sewing machine let's see what's needed.

Yes, and you're not working around that from 60 years ago, neither does that give a pass to every term with a shady history, otherwise everyone would be running around saying the r-word. What you can do is, observe and argue about things happening in 2025. That clear enough?

just to be clear, I'm not going to validity bomb a term because it's a word that can be constructed in English language and it's consonant to a useful term.

This is a pretty basic observation - intra-community lines need to be drawn with care to avoid nonsense drama, and "cissexual" is intra-community derogatorily applied to people who want nothing to do with it. Trans people dislike when you call them "cis-", I'm surprised I need to explain that to you

I've read the docs, I know how low the bar is set! We're like F1.1 away from "transvestic fetishism" in ICD10, you're simply describing medical literature here.

Clarifying terminology for a group? Pretty useful, we do that all the time. Splitting the trans community internally upon a specific line in a solidarity-breaking way? Fucking hard to pull off, and mostly ever done for shittalking purposes. The "cis-" part in particular is a pretty loud dealbreaker.

He actually seeked to clarify that TS incorrectly mentions sexuality, which, is a good impulse at heart. Since then, "transgender" has gone through extensive laundering of time. There's no indication that the TS/CS dichotomy would either warrant, or survive such laundering.

In other words, "transgender" and "cisgender" have an extensive non-emotionally-biased history, whereas "cissexual" from its outset largely substitutes for a soyjak holding a trans flag

Yeah that works for terms created neutrally. It doesn't work for terms where usage upon their creation consists of, and I jest, 30% "we should use term 'cissexual"/irony about it, 30% "cissexuals bad" from same accts, and 30% "wtf this term sucks". At this point the original purpose is kind of moot.

You putting it on the record doesn't make it more defensible, now, does it?

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Your main problem is that the term's origins are clearly visible and there's neither academic discourse nor centuries of common usage to back you, and what is there, is pretty dumb, which yeah makes this very different - especially if you want to apply it to others and not yourself.

nah you can clearly foresee that in mere 8 to 10 hours we will figure the entirety of our terminology and there will be no debate left, so we can all finally talk about the real issues 😝

Yeah which is why you refer to people who define the term in question and what they use it for. For this particular term, my notifs are half "CS" users saying any moral value assigned is incidental while their posts clearly do assign that value, and half "CS" users who openly admit they do. /shrug

I'm glad we can at least agree on the point of this whole discussion yes

Oh "moral value is incidental" is not mincing words now? That's a whole word cutlet, I'll have you know.

Hey it might look this way if you're stalking nerdskull in a separate window, but there's a whole gaggle of "transsexuals" telling you your framing stinks, you don't even need to refer to "cissexuals" on this.

Do you think it's the first day, month, or year that I see people inventing yet another term to rag on non-med-transitioning enbies or whatever-tf-fabs? It's a pretty simple unsubtle pattern to notice, you'd do way way better engaging with me genuinely like others did above.

Do you genuinely expect me to pretend I'm not seeing which moral value is being assigned by creation of this terminology in realtime as it's being applied? Simply because a neutral consonant term exists? I'm not that fucking dumb, and neither are other people looking at it, come on now.

Ironic to argue about misunderstanding for a term that is supposedly useful to combat misunderstandings, don't you think? And don't you worry, I omitted nerdskull from my usage sampling. It's an outgroup exclusion term the way it's currently being used, get real, you expect that to be unobjectable?

Hey, if you're a descriptivist, I'm not talking to you until you have a dictionary to back you up. The purpose of a system is what it does, and I trust that we have the same eyes and speak the same language, at least vaguely so.

Well, that, and there's some ironic vagueposts in the direct vicinity of those moral value assignments. As far as trans discourse goes, this is not the grade of trans discourse that has ever produced anything other than grief. I think we'll have enough of that?

I say there is a moral value assigned to it, because it's very easy to see who uses it and how, so I went and did exactly that, and i saw that ppl assign hella moral value to "cissexual". bsky.app/search?q=cis... sorry, but you exist in context of all in which you live and which came before you

You can talk about HRT impacts from medically transitioning trans ppl without drawing that line, a fuckton of people already do that, join them! Non-med-transitioning people aren't related to that, just like non-bottom-dysphoric transfems don't mess it up for vagina desiring ones thru "confusion".

And, you're not *owed* recognition because of HRT impacts - Elon Musk is currently arguing to billions of people, against all evidence, that your HRT makes you violent and insane - while being on HRT. You're drawing a line that will exclude a chunk of trans people in an adversarial environment. 😬

A framework that cleanly distinguishes medical transition from gender identity is known as "transgender", unless you somehow lose your gender identity after HRT. We had a framework that didn't assert existence of a gender identity, and it fell apart, because ain't nobody doing brain scans on yo ass.

If "TS/CS" is meant as good messaging (not everyone pro-TS/CS thinks that!), the solidarity-breaking cost is a considerable one. This shit also quickly fails historically, which is how it's now mostly done by the cursed Blaire/Wu/Angel/Garrah/... circle, who suck too much to think up anything else.

Gon try and reply as thread^^

Yeah, the average person sucks in understanding things! You know what helps immensely? Familiarity with trans people. link.springer.com/article/10.1... What hurts immensely? Of course, billions of dollars' worth of propaganda designed to misinterpret everything we say.

glad to hear it was just a misunderstanding! ^^

You might notice that Sara also doesn't label themselves as transmedicalist, even though she very well could, and the primary reason "transsexual/cissexual" people are not instadismissed is because they're don't do that. Transmedicalism on its face is pretty damn hard to justify lmao