Niall Ó Conghaile

Interesting and weird that more people would vote for Farage as PM than would vote for Brexit.
Doesn't add up.

They don't run candidates in England, so you should be okay

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Oh, it's nonsense. Esp. as regards this debate.

But some of us, are really more European than a nationality and, at the national level, we are also British while being something else too, as well as European. That‘s quite normal for people who haven’t always lived in one state.

Done

I guess that the problem is not only political, but legitimacy.

First, the UK could work on who the British are, what’s their identity (as one, or several peoples), and then where the Brits want their future to be, and how they want to manage it.

Once legitimacy is established, it’s easier. ⤴️

That's fair.

But the base of the support, and the death of Brexit support, is a good s starting point.

But this poll asked the wrong question. Voting to remain isn't an option.
The relevant question is "Do you want the UKG to begin the application process to JOIN the EU?"
And it needs to be qualified with a clear explanation that this includes Schengen, the Euro, defence, and ever-closer union.

O’Toole: A New Ireland is the only route back to Europe

I doubt they'd welcome the Cromwell comparison.

They're unquivocal in support for Europe and have been since the 70s

www.sdlp.ie/o_toole_a_ne...

And the kind of parliament committee than Iceland has set up to examine this would be great for the UK.

Interesting argument ⤵️ by @nialloconghaile.bsky.social , on which I agree.

A question however : is it possible to make a positive case for the EU in the UK, although we should do the same in our MSs ?

Maybe the Brits should first be clear with who they are, and what future they want ?

Great, then vote for them

I should add, so much of this is an attempt to ethnicise the debate:

"You're British, you're with us.

You're only against us cos you're Irish/French/Spanish/etc."

The European dream is a miracle and we should be thankful and protect that.

In the light of these consistent results, here are two things UKG needs to do, and two things the UK electorate needs to do.

I. UKG needs to set up an exploratory committee on Europe for what needs to be done...

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A charmless admission from Nick Timothy that he credulously believes racist falsehoods bsky.app/profile/best...

Lib Dems are proving lacklustre in opposition with their abandonment of joining the single market. For the first time in 10 years I am considering where my next vote goes.

Have they abandoned it officially?

That's their problem.

Great. So Labour and LDs know what they need to do it they want your votes to stop Tories getting in.

Continue voting for Brexit parties, you are the problem, and the electorate is responsible.

It's hard to say the damage this is doing to join movement as Labour and the LDs compete to offer concessions from Europe that Europe is not going to concede.

Exceptionalism destroys pro-Europeanism

A referendum is a challenge.

That's why pro-Europeans have to make the case for Schengen, FOM and the euro today, so those institutions are ingrained in the British electorate as positives to be embraced.

Delaying makes the referendum harder

the political system with a modern constitution, and closing off the loopholes in political funding. But almost no one wants to do that as too many British politicians like the power that the Westminster system bestows 2/2

I should point out, this was during the British colonial period and the Parliament in question was Westminster.

Irish history shows the way forward. The Irish parliamentary party engineered hung parliaments and was able to extract concessions from disestablishment of the COI to Home Rule.

Develop a big enough middle block and you control the keys to No. 10

It's hard to say the damage this is doing to join movement as Labour and the LDs compete to offer concessions from Europe that Europe is not going to concede.

Exceptionalism destroys pro-Europeanism

And yes, it is even more imperative that those who claim to be pro Europe stop this “in the meantime we want….” nonsense, especially stop referring to things as “unfair”

Go all in for Europe

The calculation for Labour changes if continuing to be pro-Brexit costs them seats to the hard right

In terms of electoral calculus, I cannot see this working. Green target seats are few and far between, and you don't vote LibDem in Clacton.

This Brexit nonsense will drag on until the entire ruling class changes tack.

Niall is right, however, in saying that we're all part of the problem.