Deficits arise because expenses are growing faster than tax subsidies and fare revenues.
That's why it's crucial that new tax revenues--be it from the state or from a local half cent sales tax--be raised to fund MTS
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Deficits arise because expenses are growing faster than tax subsidies and fare revenues.
That's why it's crucial that new tax revenues--be it from the state or from a local half cent sales tax--be raised to fund MTS
"Profitable" means farebox recovery >= 100%.
Farebox recovery = fare revenues/operating expenses
MTS fare revenues cover only 20% of operating expenses.
That's completely fine. As long as tax subsidies cover the remaining 80%, revenues and expenses are balanced. No deficit.
First, I agree, it's OK for transit to not be profitable.
Secondly, MTS' looming annual $100M deficit is not about whether MTS is profitable or not.
MTS is broke. Before you say, "who cares? Transit shouldn't be profitable anyways", let me explain why this is a serious problem.
www.kpbs.org/news/local/2...
Vancouver Skytrain is also a people mover! It uses the same vehicles as JFK Airport's AirTrain (below):
03.09.2025 00:55 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Vancouver's Skytrain comes every 2-6 minutes all-day, vs. every 7.5-15 min on SD Trolley.
The result? Skytrain gets 4x the Trolley's ridership, despite Greater Vancouver having less people than SD County.
Here's Tokyo's 9.1-mile metro rail line--once again using Mitsubishi people movers to serve a dense, urban area. These trains can carry 600 passengers each!
03.09.2025 00:48 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0But People Movers aren't just for airports! Here's the same people mover vehicles seen at Dulles Airport--except here they're serving a dense, urban area in Singapore:
03.09.2025 00:43 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0People Movers are driverless trains. They often shuttle airport passengers between terminals, as shown below in DC Dulles:
03.09.2025 00:43 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0This Friday SANDAG's Transportation Committee will discuss Airport Transit Connection Concepts, including an Automated People Mover (APM). The APM is the best concept. But what is an APM? pub-sandag.escribemeetings.com/Meeting.aspx...
03.09.2025 00:39 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Imagine that instead of the Airport Trolley, the people mover is built instead. Then the Blue and Green Line would have those 24 trains per hour all to themselves. Each could run 12 trains per hour, or trains every 5 minutes, per direction!
03.09.2025 00:35 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0SANDAG says the Blue, Green, and Airport Trolleys could each have a train every 7.5 min, or 8 trains per hour per line, or 24 trains per hour in total.
03.09.2025 00:34 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Fortunately, none of the Automated People Mover (APM) options being considered merge onto existing Trolley tracks. So the APM will not further limit Blue/Green Line frequency.
03.09.2025 00:33 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Why will the Airport Trolley limit frequency? Because it'll merge onto existing Blue/Green Line tracks, creating a bottleneck:
03.09.2025 00:31 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 07.5 Blue Line frequencies will be inadequate! MTS would have doubled Mid-Coast frequencies to 7.5 minutes this past June. The Blue Line is exceeding all-time highs for a second year in a row. Thatβs before University Cityβs plan update adds 72K new jobs and 50K new residents.
03.09.2025 00:29 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Problem with Airport Trolley: It'll limit Blue, Green Line frequencies to 7.5 min each, according to pub-sandag.escribemeetings.com/filestream.a...
03.09.2025 00:26 β π 3 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0SANDAG to present Airport Transit Connection (ATC) at this Friday's Transportation Committee!
There's two major airport rail concepts: the Trolley and the people mover. The people mover is better!
pub-sandag.escribemeetings.com/Meeting.aspx...
Unfortunately, MTS is a special district, and under the CA constitution any tax for a special district is a special tax, which requires 2/3, even if there isn't a specific use of the funds required. Thanks to @colinparent.bsky.social for the info!
02.09.2025 00:28 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Morena Blvd is undoubtedly a laggard. Encouragingly, Mission Valley is a rising TOD superstar:
cal.streetsblog.org/2025/07/08/m...
Will the proposed plan update raise height limits above 30 ft around Clairemont Drive Station?
02.09.2025 00:20 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0I agree that MTS should never be expected to make a profit. Taxpayer subsidies pay for the vast majority of MTS, and rightly so.
Even so, MTS is tragically broke, because unfortunately there are not enough tax dollars subsidizing MTS.
That's really interesting. However, I've asked MTS and they seemed sure it'd require a 2/3rds threshold.
Safest bet would still be Measure G 2.0. Here's suggestions for revising it: cal.streetsblog.org/2025/05/06/o...
San Diego MTS is at >93% ridership recovery and has a $30-$40 million projected annual deficit. Half of that deficit could be erased by setting the price of just one major operational expense, the electricity powering our light rail ("The Trolley"), back to 2019 levels. bsky.app/profile/alex...
23.08.2025 22:25 β π 4 π 1 π¬ 1 π 0MTS is mulling putting its own initiative on the 2026 ballot but it will require 2/3rds supermajority, which will never pass.
We need a 2026 transit citizen's intiative. Take the 12% Measure G allocated towards transit operations and increase it to 40%.
SDSU Mission Valley's 1st residential project broke ground 2 weeks ago! 621 units in seven stories of apartments on top of ground-level retail.
www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/s...
2024's Measure G allocated 62% transit, 34% towards roads, and 4% towards admin.
But out of that 62% towards transit, 50% went towards transit capital projects and only 12% towards transit operations.
Let's change this to 40% towards transit operations, 22% towards transit capital projects.
I wrote this in May, but still relevant. If we improve Measure G it would easily win in 2026!
cal.streetsblog.org/2025/05/06/o...
And with the University City Community Plan allowing for 72K new jobs and 50K new residents, the Mid-Coast will need 5 min.
22.08.2025 01:23 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Rerouting the Blue Line onto Bayside is worth studying. However, the Blue and Green Lines will each need 5 min frequencies. Mid-Coast ridership was growing so fast that MTS planned to increase Mid Coast frequencies to 7.5 min in June 2025.
22.08.2025 01:23 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Let there be Trolleys every 5 minutes on the Blue Line!
San Diego Needs Higher Train Frequencies, Not Another Express Light Rail or Bus voiceofsandiego.org/2025/08/19/s...