anyone surprised that the dems that flipped got suckered again? or that maybe they knew about this?

The MAGAS make them look like preschoolers

Same ole. Kaine, Schumer and the rest have no clue. They all need to go. They must be asked for their resignations. It’s pathetic that they can’t think ahead to the obvious. No wonder the dems are at historic lows.

I think he wants to stay in power. He can’t imagine being a civilian again and knows he will be shunned. Thankfully I don’t think his health lets him serve this term. If dems are smart they are preparing for Vance.

That’s a big if…..

i think people need to stop stop thinking about right left center.

people want to afford a house and groceries. And they want health care and their kids or have a good education on a safe environment

Fight for those things and win

focusing on edges outside of that can be done after you win.

A third party is desparately needed

Alberta government responsible for Canada losing its certification that its rid of measles. He probably thinks if you go faster, measles won’t catch you.

Danielle Smith is destroying Alberta.

In 2024 the TOTAL value of all imported goos and services was 4 trillion. (from Statista)

If all imports had an average of 15% tariff then in full year - $600 billion in tariffs.

But imports will drop as companies export less due to tariffs. So that number is high.

He’s destroying the US.

lol. i mean id like to see the breakdown of what was collected. No way its been 3 trillion

And they keep giving him what he wants .

3 trillion? Can we see that breakdown?

Was it inevitable? The Magas were just starting to implode with massive pressure from magas and horrible press with people starving. And they knew it. And along come 8 fools that can’t see the forest for the trees. Magas ripping trump was inevitable. And he would have caved.

leaders lead. That’s no excuse. There is always pressure IF you lead. dems fighting for many more people. And for long term. he’s not running in 2026 either. These people could all get fired instead of furloughed now. NOT A LEADER.

the long game is to protect those people in the long run esp. when you have momentum and magas are blamed for shutdown. They would have had to negotiate when the red states started imploding. That’s the long game. There is some pain but they were always getting all their pay back. Dems are done

he won’t. MAGAS were just starting to take heat and were starting to fight. blue wave last tuesday.

Kaine decides his getting sleep was better than staying awake and fighting. He has the chance to do something long term and burned away all leverage dems had.

Dems will pay for No leadership.

that short term
thinking should be disqualifying. you are fighting for those furloughed people. fighting to save them in the long term. fighting because they need it. And they wanted you to. Try looking them in the eye when they are fired or have no health care.

what a buffoon.

i’m all for the epstein files being released but showing a pic with trump with three arms is not helpful

he actually should resign. he can’t lead. he won’t follow. so get out of the way

and when they refuse to vote or pass anything?

trump will then blame democrats again and they will cave again. trump sees weakness. Because dems are weak. The lack of knowledge of negotiating dynamics is appalling. The dem party is done Third party needed. Who will step up?

When unions
go on strike for the betterment of ALL members sometimes the agreement is not complete. BUT you stick together. The 8 that go against are SCABS. Selfish Scabs
You need to see the forest.

“even the dems said trump was right” and it was a democrat shutdown. This will spread to all trump decisions.

that’s what you will hear.

This is a far reaching capitulation. people have no idea. It goes way beyond this vote

stop dividing the party??!! The 8 chose to divide the party. they need to be called out. the effect is damning. Dems look weak and rudderless. Magas can claim it was a dem shutdown. Trump will take all the credit for stopping the shutdown. it’s an unmitigated disaster.
Unbelievable.

this is gone with the dems caving. All the leverage vanished. Many many dem voters will not vote after seeing this display of betrayal and lack of leadership.

the strategy didn’t work? Did they not see last Tuesday? When voters said they blame Magas for the shutdown? you think caving is a strategy? I’m not alone to say many will not vote dem again unless these ten are gone.

even a later vote guarantees nothing. the MAGAS will not vote to keep subsidies. Big ugly bull cuts billions from SNAP. This was the chance to use leverage and Schumer couldn’t lead the dems to agree. The dems look rudderless and divided - losers. The MAGA infighting is now replaced by dems.

they will have plans to stop that or not release everything for years.

I don’t remember a huge political advantage and momentum being thrown away like this. True circular firing squad. trump
immediately goes out and pardons more jan 6 crooks. Already running it in dems faces. Dems now seen as weak, rudderless and losers. Penthouse to outhouse over the weekend.

Hold a vote?? Of course they will. And they already have planned to not pass it. And Dems will be losers again. Weak and feckless. And for those who think Epstein files coming? You know they already will have years of legal delays planned.

💯

And this opportunity is gone for years. Plus trump smells weakness. The Dem party will
lose midterms. Who wants to vote for weakness. Shumer HAS to go. There is no leadership. Ten cannot represent the majority.

all the headlines- dems cave; dems blink: etc etc

no one will want to vote for a weak party. Me included. This mistake at a time when dems had all the momentum will cause damage that’s long lasting.

Trump will shut down governments whenever can now also. He knows the dems are weak. Unreal

The key to leadership getting the entire team to unite. The Dems have NO leadership. It’s harsh but true. That’s why numbers are so low. Schumer has to go.
When the MAGAS kill the ACA subsidies then what? Dems had all the momentum. This has totally fractured the party. MAGAS knew it.