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Man, if that's the standard we're using, I have bad news about the UN

Forcefully ethnically cleansing your own people for the sake of peace is moral and legitimate, even if it's obviously quite controversial

Did the settlers happened to all share a particular ethnicity?

I'll remind you, plenty of Egyptians ~settled~ in Gaza way before 2005, yet they weren't displaced

Also, don't take me using correct terminology as a moral value. We should ethnically cleanse the Jews fromt the West Bank next

"But are they making life hard?"

Obviously, life is usually very hard under warfare.

There are worse humanitarian catastrophes with literally more bloodshed, starvation, torture etc ongoing, half which aren't considered genocides purely because of the "intent" clause

Not very relevant though

The literal conditions for the war to end have also never included, at any point, "Jewish resettlement in Gaza" or "Anexation of Gaza into Israel"

And even just the military occupation of Gaza does not have majority support. This "end the war" talk is crumbling by the second, and it won't stand

Heck, I guess Sharon cleansed the wrong people in 2005. Maybe he read the paper backwards?

There simply isn't "mass Jewish resettlement in Gaza" even as a concept away from Ben Gvir's delusions, and the Israeli public wants nothing to do with it either

Lol, that's your theory? "They want all Gazans to leave" is currently not even near the table. At worst we had the absolutely shitpost of an idea that was sending part of Gaza to Sudan during the reconstruction, but that was not a real plan, it was just fascist cruelty in a statement

It gets progressively harder to think y'all just don't really think of Jews as people. You not only speak at if Jews never existed, yet as if Judaism itself was a colonial invention

Do you understand how absolutely downright r3tarded that is?

Shove the history of the Ottoman Empire on ya face and read about Jewish disposession at the time. Have fun looking for similar around the planet

You don't care much for Zionism because you don't care much for the Jewish question, which makes you useless in terms of defending jewish survival

Those get to fight for what's theirs, that's to say, what they ~own~

They do not get to blood and soil their way into claiming the Negev, and by choosing war instead of partition, they 100% gambled their right to much of the land

And they don't get to steal land from the local Jews

Put it on ya head right now

The only Arabs whom are native to Palestine are the ones whose family was Jewish at some point in history

The rest came in through conquest, migration or colonisation. There's clearly hardly a difference for y'all when debating Israel-Palestine

1.5 million of the Arabs living in Palestine in 1947 weren't natives to the region, you people have blood and soil on the mind.

"Indigenous groups fighting a colonizing force" could well describe the Crusades if you make it vague enough

+ Erasing Jewish nativism

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The Yishuv*

There, now answer the question

Well aware of it. If ya think "Politician is a pedophile" is much news, you haven't been around long, unfortunately.

Wanna make an actual point or just share news? I'm happy you're bringing light to an issue, I just hope you actually care about pedophilia and isn't just using this as a "gotcha" hah

You want to mean something, but you don't know what you mean, do ya?

You're trying to make sense of a sentiment that isn't very logic, you want to put into words and reason but it's tough. You know you have to misrepresent me to do it, and part of your brain just won't let ya, ain't it so?

Define "weirdo" here

The concept of "weird", of course, stands in opposition to the concept of "normal"

When it comes to identity, the "norm" for very long was seen as cishet vanilla with strict gender roles

Any deviant is 'weird', yet I wouldn't say that queer people being "weirdos" makes it ok

Now, can I PLEASE get any admission whatsoever that Arab Antisemitism plays any role whatsoever on the reason why the people doing Nazi salutes and chanting "Khaybar oh Yahud!" fire rockets and start wars against the Jewish State

Until ya get there, you're talking fanfiction, not politics

You need to find a way to argue about this that doesn't make the concept of 'Palestinian genocide' favourable in any way, shape or form

If you told a genuinely genocidal Israeli what you told me now, they'd say "They attacked first" and clap over the ashes of Gaza. You need to beat these people

By going "they attack Israel because Israel attacks first" you have

1) steered away from the idea that it's about the Palestinians. Good, that's a nice start to realism

2) Implicitly legitimised the idea of indiscriminate counter attacks against civilians as a response

Which is stupid

> Usually

Got a number?

Let's suppose you were to look at every time it happened and find, idk, that Israel has launched 100x less rockets than it's received, and that it rarely operates without an existing threat

Would that change your view or nah?

(Hardly matters btw, you already conceded)

Neither of us takes our morals from God's command, I'd suppose, so I'd like to know where yours come from

For me it's easy, HR based utilitarianism + not tolerating intolerance is about the foundation of everything I stand for

Also, what's with the "the love of your parents is a valid judge of character" thing?

There are too many queer people whose parents outright disowned them for this to be so casually put forth as an argument. Are they less valid because they had the misfortune of being born to monsters?

Nope. I think the most shameful thing I've done is spend too long talking to nobodies on the internet for no good reason, that's cringe and something that would get people at a dinner table going "Why? 🤨"

Did the Arab League, in 1947, invade Israel and attempt a genocide out of concern for Palestinians? Out of support for a Palestinian State?

The answer is no, the issue was Israeli presence, Jewish self-governance, an "humiliation to Islam and the Ummah!" as said at the time

Annoying, no?

And more, the really easy way to prove this is looking at their "allies". The Houthi? Not occupied. Iran? Not occupied. Hezbollah? Not occupied. ISIS? Not occupied. Afghanistan? Not occupied. And yet they all toss rockets and smuggle weapons, why is that?

But this goes back too, you know so

Israel didn't have to stop pummeling Egypt and Jordan so we could get peace with 'em, they simply gave up on wanting to erase Israel and the Jews and that was it

That's the gap Palestine has to bridge for peace's sake. Until that's done, terrorism is a given

You can say "Well, if they put the walls down there'd be less terrorism!" but that isn't true, what motivates terrorism isn't the existence of the blockade, it's the existence of Israel itself, lol

And even if Israel did not exist, Arab antisemitism already had an issue with Jews just being around

> Turning Gaza into a concentration camp is what incited terrorism

Can I get a "terrorism in Gaza before the blockade"?

You're doing retroactive history here. It's not because Israel built walls that they blow themselves up, it's because they blow themselves up that the walls were built

And like, we both know this to be true at this point. You might have enough hatred in your heart not to see it, but it's pretty clear on my end

Every rapist in Israel could be trialed and erased, and you'd still be mad, because you're fundamentally mad at Israel existing, aren't you?

Anyways, it hardly matters

It's not because you genuinely care about pedophilia that you're arguing with me rn, you just hate Israel and needs to find any outlet possible to do so. If Israel was utopic, you'd call the grass "too yellow" and demand Palestine took over, even if Palestine was desert