A penitent who is loud

or at least enough new threads

anyways enough MENA politicsposting for a day or two, this has been bad

I think people understate the degree to which, while Netanyahu is a lying, ruthless monster, he seems to sincerely want to rebuild an idealized rapport between the PEOPLE of Iran and Israel, whether or not it ever actually existed.

People do not appreciate that "liberal Zionists" are *SICK OF THIS SHIT* in a way that is deeply, deeply rooted. I have been hearing about horrors in I/P since I was in elementary school.

For the most part, if there was a recognition of Israeli security? Yes.

yes. and many of us not-so-subtly long for them to get their asses kicked sufficiently intently that it *overrules the otherwise generally extremely close-knit Jewish coreligionist sympathy*.

(Let us table the discussion of whether this naive fantasy has any basis in reality or plausibility. the point is we fucking HATE THEM at least as much as many of you do.)

American liberal Jews have been seething with hatred for them to the point Max Brooks openly fantasized about recognition of a Palestinian state leading to an Israeli civil war where the Israeli far right & settlers get absolutely, bloodily wrecked, leaving Palestine & Israel in a mutual golden age.

seriously, y'all really do not understand how much liberal American Jews of my generation fucking hate the settlers.

In my experience the typical American Liberal Jewish Zionist's enthusiasm for a two-state solution is NOT LEAST because it would be a blow against the West Bank settlers.

The settlers have actually been the big bad of American Jewish opinions on Israel for basically my entire life, actively blamed for all the reasons that Israel isn't what we want it to be.

This is a sub tweet, but I think y'all REALLY assume liberal American Jews are far more fond of the settlers than they are.

Speaking personally I wouldn't be particularly aggrieved to see them sent back to Israeli territory if they're unwilling to live under sovereign Palestinian rule.

I am more interested in discussions of why Iran would dislike America still than Israel.

Israel *wants this for reasons of its own*. In that it is exactly like Trump.

Israel did not work especially hard to get us here because the American right has wanted this for so long it's a goddamned running Internet joke.

It's Real Bad!

We call this sort of thing "moral injury." Look it up

And when all your friends are competing to equal or outdo each other in their hate for the Perfidious Other, Wipe Them Out Root & Branch, you have crossed the Nazi Line & genocide will entirely be a question of when you are physically capable of enacting it, not your moral restraints. You are lost.

Liberal humanism and a recognition of universal humanity feels weak and passive when the reptile brain is screaming KILL KILL KILL AVENGE THE WEEPING PARENT, THE ORPHANED CHILD. GO JOHN WICK ON THEIR ASS. NO MERCY! NO HESITATION,N

Exhibit fucking a: Israel.

This is why you do not boil your brain on atrocity footage, because human minds are bad at handling entire societies & great at extrapolating anecdotes into collective guilt, and it feels *strong*, it feels *righteous*, to believe these things, far more so to the reptile brain than any liberal ethos

If you find yourself saying these things you are as low as the worst reactionary Zionist proclaiming that Palestinians are vermin. And you would have known this before you boiled your brains on atrocity footage and outrage and the need to fit in with your fellow travelers ever egging each other on.

I am deliberately not QRTing the source because they are a popular queer account.

"what about -"

No. I don't care what evil country you cite. No existing country on this earth is founded upon the core tenets of child murder and sexual assault. Countries do these things, because countries contain humans and some humans are evil.

No country is founded upon these things.

For the record, no country on the fucking planet has as its core tenets "sexual assault and child murder." If you believe otherwise, you are a bigot, and you are regurgitating the ethos of the Protocols.

Fix yourselves, or go join your natural fellow travelers.

Cause if so, honestly, you could have probably signalled it better. You know. In visual language, if your point was to Find A Way to Blame the Jews Once Again for Our Own Nation's Dark Side.

Or was the undertone of the Holden Bloodfeast Respectable Bipartisan all this time that he was an Israeli puppet, and it was just so understood nobody bothered to tell me?

Seriously "the American state has been pissed about Iran for 50 years & the EXACT contingent of the Right currently ascendant have hungered for a strike against Iran all this time" was until what feels like last week so understood it was a running joke!

Have we forgotten Holden Bloodfeast?

Seriously "the American state has been pissed about Iran for 50 years & the EXACT contingent of the Right currently ascendant have hungered for a strike against Iran all this time" was until what feels like last week so understood it was a running joke!

Have we forgotten Holden Bloodfeast?

The Iranian people do, but all the indications I've heard suggest that Iran's public is rather less hostile to the West than their government?

he's chris pratt

like he has no distinct existence independent from his actor?