whoops that was a fun typo. Yamaha's 1985 trademark, not 1875 trademark. Jeeze.
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whoops that was a fun typo. Yamaha's 1985 trademark, not 1875 trademark. Jeeze.
05.08.2025 22:43 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Simple search, set it to trademark and search for γγ¬γ€γΉγοΌγ·γ§γ³ Reg.No.1466805 (Appl.No.1977-077402) Oct.31,1977 Reg.No.1488401 (Appl.No.1977-077400) Oct.31,1977 Reg.No.1531260 (Appl.No.1977-084497) Nov.30,1977 Reg.No.2417444 (Appl.No.1985-034797) May 29,1992 Then again, simple search, set it to trademark and search for playstation Reg.No.3012855 (Appl.No.1992-278192) Sep.30,1992 Reg.No.3087085 (Appl.No.1992-278196) Sep.30,1992
PS Searching in katakana versus romaji gets different results but the same info. Nintendo did not have a trademark, there's just the 1977/81/82/85 trademarks and Sony's new one in 1992 a year AFTER the Phillips that supersedes Yamaha's 1875 trademark. Go to this website: www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp
05.08.2025 22:43 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0It was bothering me so much I wrote extensive citations in the talk pages for both articles and then changed the text of the articles themselves. Can't wait for the edit war! :P
05.08.2025 22:36 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0I was so damn annoyed by these I created a wikipedia account just so I could cite all my sources in the wikipedia talk pages and then edited the articles myself. Spite is a powerful motivator.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Leg...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_N...
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05.08.2025 19:23 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Hey the Seattle Times article is on the Wayback Machine too: web.archive.org/web/20181205...
05.08.2025 17:58 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0At the Consumer Electronics Show in June 1991, Sony publicly unveiled its hybrid SNES-compatible console, the PlayStation, which supported both cartridge and CDs.[6] The following day, Nintendo revealed its partnership with Philips at the show, which surprised the audience, including Sony.[9]
How did Sonyβs spies find out that Nintendo was planning on announcing a partnership with Philips? Likely by the time-honored espionage technique ofβ¦ reading the newspaper. βNintendo, Philips Join In Games On CD,β read the headline of a Seattle Times story dated May 31, 1991, exactly two days prior to Nintendoβs June 2 event. βJapanβs Nintendo Co. Ltd. has agreedβ¦ with Dutch electronics maker Philips Electronics NV to put its popular video games on compact discs, a Nintendo spokesman said today,β the story read. So a Nintendo spokesperson had already told the media that the company planned to go with Philips as its partner, notwithstanding the deal it already had in place with Sony. That meant that when Sony had its own press conference on June 1, 1991 and announced its βPlay Stationβ device, it already knew what Nintendo planned to do the next day.
P.P.S. Oh yeah here's another place wikipedia is wrong:
That Kotaku article specifically cites a 1991 Seattle Times headline two days before Nintendo's press conference announcing that the Super Famicom CD-ROM would be made with Phillips rather than Sony.
P.S. Digital Dreams: The Work of the Sony Design Center by Paul Kenkel from 1999 APPARENTLY says the 1985 trademark for art was Yamaha and Sony paid them to abandon the trademark for them. I say apparently because I can't find that book to confirm so YMMV!
05.08.2025 17:43 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0An add-on doesn't feel like a station, but a combo unit does, especially since it was meant to fulfill a personal computer-like role of both fun games and serious educational crap.
ANYWAY wikipedia is wrong.
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If you think about it, the name PlayStation even SOUNDS like a combo unit, adding "play" therefore fun to a more serious "station" like a workstation. I think the idea was fun games as WELL as serious educational software like encyclopedias.
05.08.2025 17:36 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0From what I can see, at NO POINT was the Super Famicom CD-ROM add-on ever called Play Station or PlayStation (again that is a branding style difference not a name difference).
05.08.2025 17:35 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Nintendo aborted the joint add-on and went with Phillips instead for the add-on. Sony retained the right to manufacture and sell their combined Super Famicom and CD-ROM console and software for it (probably ONLY edutainment/fully educational) and scuttled it themselves in favor of the PS1 we know.
05.08.2025 17:34 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Sony wanted to charge licensing fees for every Super Famicom / Play Station CD-ROM title produced, the same way Nintendo charged licensing fees for every Super Famicom "cassette" cartridge produced.
05.08.2025 17:32 β π 2 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0The breakdown between the two parties was apparently because Nintendo understood that Sony was going to focus on edutainment titles and fully educational non-games (like encyclopedias) and not mainstream game titles (such as the Zelda games and Hotel Mario that ended up on CD-i later) AND ALSO...
05.08.2025 17:31 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Furthermore, when that prototype Super Famicom Play Station showed up it was revealed that Sony and Nintendo were making a CD add-on for the Super Famicom AND Sony had the rights to make a combo console with both SFC and CD-ROM hardware, like the Twin Famicom.
kotaku.com/the-weird-hi...
Just to be thorough, I did search for γγ¬γ»γ€γΉγγΌγ·γ§ in the Japanese trademark office and as expected, zero results. Anyway, I don't see ANY evidence that Nintendo ever filed for a Play Station or PlayStation trademark and also, there's no real difference in Japanese.
05.08.2025 17:24 β π 2 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0So yeah, I see zero evidence Nintendo every applied for a trademark for the word PlayStation or really, γγ¬γ€γΉγγΌγ·γ§γ³ and I have never seen it written in katakana with a Japanese interpunct (γ»), which is often used to separate foreign words/names. Like personal computer is γγΌγ½γγ«γ»γ³γ³γγ₯γΌγΏγΌ.
05.08.2025 17:22 β π 3 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0If you want to translate all this crap yourself here's the trademark registration numbers:
Format:
registration number (commercial request number)
146805 (52-0774402)
1488401 (52-077400)
153126 (52-084497)
241744 (60-034797)
4352200 (10-079576)
4888169 (10-087375)
4777438 (2001-021128)
There's also a Sony 2001 trademark that's extremely wide: a category that includes both Japanese playing cards and video game manuals, films and computer games, software sold via telecommunications (there's some old timey words), metal hardware, fabrics, etc.
05.08.2025 17:14 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 01992 is clearly Sony's trademark. Same thing as 1985, picture frames, sculptures, movies, video tapes/discs... I think it's basically saying this trademark is for ART. There's also a 1998 trademark related to soap, cotton, human food, drinks, tobacco... I suspect Sony wanting to sell branded merch.
05.08.2025 17:11 β π 2 π 0 π¬ 1 π 01985 seems to be art related, I think displaying art? metal and stone sculptures, picture frames, exposed film (movies basically), prerecorded video tapes and discs... sounds like they are talking about... projectors.
05.08.2025 17:08 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0The 1982 one was related to industrial machinery apparently? Arc welders, furnaces, printers, and "amusement park machines and equipment, not including arcade video game machines". Specifically NOT video games, huh?
05.08.2025 17:07 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0The 1977 one was related to the cosmetics industry. The category includes false nails/eyelashes, shaving kits, jewelry, et cetera. The 1981 one was related to diapers and gloves.
05.08.2025 17:05 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Did you know you can search the Japanese trademark office? Seems like Sony's 1992 trademark on the word PlayStation (or rather γγ¬γ€γΉγοΌγ·γ§γ³) supersedes abandoned ones from 1977, 1981, 1982 I assume originally by others?
www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/t0201
Also, unlike a copyright, you have constantly renew a trademark and if you don't defend it, you will lose it. There's no way that's accurate information!
www.uspto.gov/trademarks/b...
However, Nintendo broke the agreement and instead signed with Philips to make the add-on, which caused Sony to spin off their add-on into its own console called the PlayStation (with "PlayStation" as one word, as Nintendo owned the trademark "Play-Station").
Dear random writers/editors on wikipedia: I don't care what youtube video you cited, that's not how trademarks work. The point of a trademark is to prevent consumer confusion in a particular market. "Play Station" and "PlayStation" are not different enough to avoid consumer confusion. This is BS.
05.08.2025 16:49 β π 16 π 4 π¬ 1 π 0Looking Back at Anime-Zine with Robert Fenelon - Red Bard talks with Robert Fenelon, a founding fan and head of early anime magazine Anime-Zine, about his experiences in fandom, his work in the anime community, and more.
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05.08.2025 16:21 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0This is your work, right?
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Fun fact: Someone on the Mega Man Legends 2 dev team really liked the Zakrello, the mobile armor from ep. 32 of First Gundam. It appears tucked away in one of the texture files with a word bubble that says, "Leftover space. Hmm... What should I do...Why not draw something?"
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