Well it sounds like Climavores needs to make a comeback so that @tamarhaspel.bsky.social can moderate a discussion between you two.

I'm not gonna stop "banging my spoon on my highchair" as you'd say about a Climavores comeback :P

Do you have a favorite policy proposal(s) that would have this effect

Would you put these on patreon too?

Perennial Kernza Works in Corn, Soybean Rotations Nicole Tautges of the Michael Fields Agriculture Institute discusses the benefits of Kernza, a cool-season perennial crop that can be managed for both winter grazing and a grain crop the following sum...

This take isn't wrong, but one complication I'd add is that Kernza may not always be functioning as a 1 for 1 wheat replacement - for e.g. it could be an alfalfa replacement in corn/soy rotations - in that scenario you're adding a 3rd human edible crop where there wasn't one previously

Can you be more specific about which programs you think need ditched

What would federal promotion of in home food waste tech look like for you? Tax credits or something?

Make Electricity Cheap Again - part 1. We succeeded in making "Electrify Everything" an idea. We failed to make electricity cheap. Lets make electricity cheap again.

@ezrakleinbot.bsky.social Have Saul Griffith back on to talk about this:
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I liked masters of the air better than the Pacific. Band of Brothers is probably still better just because it's so classic

@adamjahns.bsky.social Heard you talking about how much you love band of Brothers on the last hoge & jahns... Have you watched Masters of the Air?? I also think you would like for all mankind

yeah I agree that this won't be transformative - if it was the food problem would be a lot easier to solve.

What kind of advances in indoor animal management might be possible if electrical power is a negligible cost concern? These are just some of the things I think could be interesting.

Do the continued positive curves on batteries and electricity, make a lot more farm equipment able to be electrified?

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www.greenlightning.ag I can't wait brother, but there might be other things on the margins that get a lot easier. Does this new on-farm fertilizer production technology get a lot more viable?

I think you're right that it wouldn't be a panacea. It would be helpful for vertical farming and cultivated meat but there are other factors with those two that could still hold them back.

And, while I'm at it, the same is true for any generative institution, guild, or practice. If you want to produce new knowledge, build something, or cooperate in service of mutual goals in any way, you will come into conflict with reactionaries. Reactionary politics are a death cult.

One question that I've been mulling is: how could radical electricity abundance impact agriculture? Do you have thoughts?

what crazy assumptions? Not challenging you, just curious

And then where on your list do you start to entertain trade down.

@gregbraggsjr23.bsky.social @adamhoge.bsky.social @kfishbain.bsky.social Interested to see ya'll rank the following in term of BPA at #10, irregardless of Bears needs: Jeanty, Campbell, Membou, Graham, Pierce Jr, Green, M. Williams, S. Stewart.

@thomnorman.bsky.social @mikegrunwald.bsky.social Curious if either of you have a take on Joe Fassler's reporting on the technical viability of cultivated meat here: thecounter.org/lab-grown-cu...

and in doing this research, accounting for the land use, land use change, and carbon opportunity cost pieces often seem the most complex and nebulous. Just a lot of assumptions happening when trying to build that into the equation.

Thanks for your willingness to get real weedy in your threads here

bc in the federal policy work I do, I want our advocacy to be aimed at achieving animal ag economies that BOTH don't harm the climate or surrounding communities AND can produce food affordable to working people - and imho both the con-ag and small farming dogmas don't get you there...

Thought I'd give some context to my questions - I've been doing a deep dive into various animal ag production systems, from conventional to regenerative - their comparative emissions/externalities, the options to mitigating them, and how those options would impact affordability...

Thanks this is helpful - I was thinking of risk of transmission of avian flu from wild sources particularly and it sounds like maybe the main counter advantage of outdoor model is the distribution of smaller flocks even if the contraction risk is higher?

Which gets real complicated quickly because those formulas often don't account for things like idle farmland and gay rotting in fields when comparing two chicken production models. How do you think about the land use intensity piece when comparing models?

And I wonder if the comparatively lower land use (I'm assuming) of more concentrated indoor systems starts to work in their advantage in carbon accounting formulas that factor in things like carbon opportunity cost and land use change emissions?

What does it look like to better mitigate biosecurity risks for production models like yours as they scale? The biosecurity risks would be one of the first things of imagine a conventional poultry producer would have questions about with an outdoor model

This is a really interesting and helpful landing spot (and one I resonate with, fwiw)

Just to clarify - this is just a total of the pasture acres they'd occupy, not inclusive of feed acres?

so that as lower productivity ag sectors grow, they can grow into a climate adapted version of high yield ag, instead of into the high emissions version we have now?