Andy Blatchford

I would hope conclusive evidence of an effective conspiracy to pervert the Brexit vote and the naming of the conspirators - all details buried somewhere in the Epstein Files - just might be a tipping point

And Home Secretaries going back to Blair and ever more so now. Then there's Palantir contracts and making support for Palestine equal to terrorism. No it's dead centre Labour policy, sadly

Is this your average Reform fan who can't stand Starmer but somehow if a Labour govt mimics the rhetoric and policies of Reform hard enough, then miraculously that Reform fan will vote for Starmer rather than tell him to p*ss off? That's the theory. Spot the flaw

But Andras I don't doubt that he reported accurately what people in the loop were saying. My point and I will end after this is wotever the background to how policy was generated, we have HAD policies and many ordinary labour voters like myself can't stomach them. The policies have been wrong. End

Stephen I disagreed with your take which appears to have elicited condescending rebukes. Your take is valid enough and although I generally agree with you and indeed follow you, I'm really not with you here. We have had policies but sadly the wrong ones. I listed to my mind the worst.

I do know how to tell you this and spitballing sounds disgusting. I am miles away from working with these guys but have voted labour all my life, even sadly in Iraq times. The policies I listed, I can't vote for nor can millions of other Labour voters. Do your village, I'm sticking to real World.

Hmm maybe. But I actually have the very opposite take. They DO do policy. Unfortunately as one is the head honcho and the other the consigliere, their policy is NOT what most Labour voters can get behind. No reverse of Brexit, bash immigrants, keep sweet with US and their tech bros. It's not for us.

Isn't it Pincher Martin? You know the bloke in a shipwreck washes up on a deserted island. Kills the odd turtle, gets constipated, squirts water up his bum. Feels better. Hopes to get rescued. Thinks he does. But last page reveal - he was dead all the time. Or McSeeeney? Wrong man, wrong movie

Fuuki Nora. Bring up the bodies

But it will definitely make you want to throw up

Totally agree. The depressing thing is watching in real time as foreign powers are playing both sides of our domestic politics. Don't like 14 years of Tory incompetence and Brexit, well get Brexit-lite with a dose of Palantir for the NHS. Same sh*t different shovel

Why one not other? All I'm seeing, all I'm thinking is clearly both. And both have been playing both sides for years. So years of different iterations of Tories decoupling us from Europe. A Starmer govt continuing and Reform to complete the 3 card trick. Russia/Israel/Maxwell father and daughter

Weird fact but I saw Sir Stanley play when I was young for Stoke against Argyle. He was maybe 48 then but still effective

Jeez I'm English, Plymouth born. Supported the Argyle from 1957. Had to cross two major roads to get to Home Park. My Ma said promise me when you get to that busy road wait at the pavement until a man comes along. Then hold his hand till you get to the other side. Different days but happy days.

But it was petering out. New ownership three teams brought to fruition and then dwindling, Chelsea Arsenal and then Man City at least as competent. And when the great man goes, Busby as well, it takes regime change. He got out cos he knew it was no more

Transparent Radiation by Spacemen 3 released 1987. Makes dropping acid fun again

Dockers in Italian Genoa and Livorno have also regularly blockaded munitions and humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Left wing and trades unions in Italy, whilst being anti NATO bases on their soil, and anti US generally, are surprisingly often pro Russia "driving the fascists our of Ukraine"

Do you think? I found it strange that he apologised to the people that were for years being abused - something he was not party to and had no control over, but as far as I am aware didn't apologise for the completely inappropriate appointment of Mandelson - something that he actually stupidly did

Or to ensure that they have sufficient calorific intake in the months before being thrown into the East Ukrainian meat grinder with the inevitable result. How wonderful to live in a country with a great leader. This applies to all three countries connected by this story.

No I see labour as being wiped out. As someone who has honestly tried to vote progressively all my life, I'm delighted. The last meaningful Labour Govt was just after the war. And Epstein shit is just about to blow up Farage so don't worry. Vote Green or Libdem but tactically. ITS OVER

But not from this iteration of Labour Government. Read the room. Really, it's over. I take no delight in this and hope that the competent legal Keir as opposed to the incompetent political Keir, can give us the gift of truth re Russian infiltration, dark US money, royal scandals, Boris/Lebedev etc

Me among many as I subscribe to Byline Times. And I would expect that if the real and full Epstein Files are published, there really won't be one overarching narrative, as in aha it was all a cunning Israeli spy plot. It will be many overlapping circles of interest based on exploiting young women

No they decided a media hit on Pep Guardiola's outrageous views that innocent Palestinian children shouldn't be gratuitously murdered was far worthier of publicity. Not only do they want to commit genocide they also want noone to talk about it. Never again - for us, not for you.

Hi guys. Could you just about accept that you're both right, but seeing the same thing from opposite ends of a telescope (if that's a worthy enough metaphor)

And why isn't the Labour Party seemingly curious in finding out?

And if the public had access to the information she had but was constrained to make available then we would all see why PA is a proscribed organisation. But no. Palestine Lives (just) no thanks to the continuing Israeli perpetrated Genocide. By your deeds you will be judged - Israel, Cooper

Because many voted for Starmer as the Brexit reset and the end to toxic speech on immigration. That he has somehow chosen to fish in Reform waters makes us think he is not the solution to UK troubles but the current cause. As such Lab is no option for progressive voters. Get it now?

Pah! You've obviously never been out supporting Labour on a wet midweek game in Stoke. (Irony filter may need activating)

Empty stadia st World Cup?

George you're a good'un and I sense the despair you have felt in these exchanges. In Sardinia my close friends protesting NATO bases there were outraged at US/UK intervention in ex Jugoslavia and welcomed Russian invasion of Ukraine as clearing out the fascists. Your enemy's enemy and all that?