Kai

It's too late [for Israel]

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I wish people would stop reposting Hillary. It just encourages the Republicrat.

I think Israel has lost the PR war. Perhaps we have reached a critical mass that will not return to accepting Israeli propaganda or its war crimes.

He was pro IDF so now he thinks it's gone to far?

I think viscount had a meltdown and blocked us. When you are caught with you pants down, wrong I guess you run.

Perhaps if you were in America you might be better informed. Neither takes AIPAC money and both have called it a genocide. So I am not sure what your issue is?

You would have to prove that to me

Perhaps not apathy or wasted votes is the answer, rather targeted voting. You are making the same tired DNC argument that tenuously defends their conservative position whether they lose voters. Not allow a Palestinian to speak at the convention showed the full calcification. Mamdani is the future.

I am not trying to troll you here. I think there is a fundamental change to US politics. Every 4 years we get a choice of horrible and less horrible. We desperately need change and many of us are trying to carve out some reform. Look at the NYC race and it exposed AIPAC and racism from the Dems.

corrupt politicians have a certain consistency.

A great ad for BDS!

Make Bernie Sanders' brother PM

It's not like a good pol good not have split the baby. Harris is not that good a politician. Politics is a road littered with babies cut in half.

Like me I guess. I will not vote for AIPAC people anymore, which is almost all of them. ugh

The core of the problem. Progressives are the future of the party.

Look you don't have to convince me that Trump will destroy the world and is competing with Hitler for the most evil.

I don't think you can assign voters those kind of complex machinations. Frustration and apathy can be as powerful as passionate agendas IMO. Why bother is a vote killer and the dems delivered that in mass. The past is not the problem, the continued policy of war on the progressives is.

And Jake Sullivan

I don't get that from the data. I see it saying Harris suppressed her vote by taking the AIPAC stand on Gaza. It was I can't vote for someone who supports war crimes and whether or not Trump would be worse was not their focus. IMO

In the before times maybe!

Primary, primary, primary and if we had a primary for the 2024 election we would not have had Harris!

I feel ya

It was a hypothetical of a good universe. A thought experiment and noting the clear facts you cite.

Is anyone saying Trump help Gaza? Can you post a link?

Non voters who had supported Biden before.

Well, there you have it! Perhaps it's why Harris tried to claw back credibility in her book saying she was outraged at Netanyahu's actions in Gaza. a little too late and still weak.

the ones who stuck around, with a full 29% of the votes LOST citing genocide as their primary reason

You see I am Jewish and Kamala's support for Israel almost lost my vote. Jewish total support for Gaza war crimes is a myth put out by AIPAC. The same voters went to Trump in some numbers. People vote for people who stand up for what they believe, even if they disagree. Voters hate mealy mouths.

Kinda like saying the novel War and peace was about a war than about peace. I know 300 characters does not allow nuance but here I think its necessary.