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Schedule changed with the entire Artemis timeline. Artemis 2 was supposed to launch 2022. Milestones are the same. So what?

I never stated or implied the contrary of what you said. So prove what?

Whats your definition of a 'complete' ship? Pretty sure SpaceX knows well enough how to build rockets.

The counter-argument has been stated multple times, not my fault you keep ignoring it. You are inventing milestones lol. The milestone you point at is an orbital launch test, which happened on Flight 3 already. Flight 4, 5, 6 & 10 did the same.

SpaceX has been funding the majority already...

I never said or implied that. Reading comprehension?? You act like you know better than SpaceX.

Funding proves they met the milestones as defined by NASA. Keep on acting like you know better though.

And you are still wrong about that. The funding proves they have completed 72% of the milestones. The milestones didn't change, only the schedule.

We've been showing it the entire time... You just keep ingoring it 😂 Your outdated graphic did not show the first milestone, it showed a few important ones. Why do you keep doubling down on this wrong understanding?

A complete Starship flight is for the lunar tests.

Cost and funding SpaceX develops the Starship primarily with private funding

I know that's your claim. And as said about 20 times now, that is plain wrong. Jesus, you're bad at this...

Oh no, if only someone thought about the funding!!

I wanted to say that goes both ways, but Im not surprised anymore. People acting like they know better than those actually building the most powerful rocket ever and landing it never gets old!

Whatever makes you sleep at night, princess. You're the one changing topics though and ignoring everything I say.

I literally did. And you replied with a screenshot of the exact same comment multiple times. Try again.

Says the person who argued "They haven't completed ANY of them and are 72.5% through the funding."

So yes, you're sad he doesn't give you attention anymore.

When will you start punching though?

If you're unable to form a proper argument, just don't write anything at all. That's far more productive for both of us.

He's losing it 😂

The concept of milestones is completely unrelated to engineering, yes. You implied only an engineer would understand that concept, which is wrong. Now adding 'engineering' before the 'milestones' doesn't change the point.

Conveniently ignoring how you contradicted yourself as well?

What part did you not understand this time?

And engineer that doesn't understand the HLS contract, sure!

Yeah thats why they still do test flights??? How are you so dumb that you can't understand this?

Usually you have to develop all systems before you can launch a rocket with people to the moon... I thought you were an engineer?

Are you sad he doesn't give you attention anymore?

It has been proven multiple times. You just can't accept it or keep failing to understand. And pointing out bad-faith arguing is not an ad hominem. Try again.

Milestones are the same. Just rescheduled like NASA did for Artemis 1 & 2. Your own 72% figure proves they have completed milestones. Easy.

Ironic.

That's straight BS lol. Milestones have nothing to do with engineering and do not guarantee the result.

Again plain wrong. And you're even contradicting yourself 😂

Arguing semantics doesnt change the point, your 'gotcha' made no sense.

As many times as it takes until you finally understand it? Funding is directly tied to the HLS milestones. What part are you struggling with?

So? Do you want them to rush things & risk lives or guarantee reliability & safety?

Yep. And that doesn't change anything. The *COMPLETE* Starship is only for the very end.

That's why they're doing flight tests...

Again shows your complete misunderstanding of the milestones. Hint: there's not just 1 milestone about prop-transfer. Yeah that 72% means they completed milestones 😂

Thanks for pointing that out!

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Again wrong. You make fun of me saying 'reading comprehension' when I redirected it back to you, but you keep being wrong despite me being very clear. I don't care about Elon, attack him all you want. I came here to point out your bad-faith arguing.

How ironic 😂

Yep. And that claim is wrong, as we have said way too many times now. Not only is it wrong, it makes no difference. When will you start understanding this? PS: NASA also didn't make their original schedule, multiple times.

They are following the milestones NASA defined. Blame them if you dont agree

Lol, arguing semantics now. You know very well that implies the exact same thing. 'Nobody appears to think it's stupid'. Happy now? Exact same point lol, your 'gotcha' made no sense.

Yep. And our point was that you're shortsighted.

Last time I'm gonna say it: that's not all the miletones.

Ars: Have there been any ground tests of these systems, whether it’s fluid couplers or docking systems? Can you talk about some of the ground tests that have gone into this development? Lisa Watson-Morgan: Oh, absolutely. We’ve been working with them on ground tests for this past year. We've seen the ground testing and reviewed the data. Our team works with them on what we deem necessary for the various milestones. While the milestone contains proprietary (information), we work closely with them to ensure that it's going to meet the intent, safety-wise as well as technically, of what we're going to need to see. So they've done that. Even more exciting, they have recently shipped some of their docking systems to the Johnson Space Center for testing with the Orion Lockheed Martin docking system, and that's for Artemis III. Clearly, that's how we're going to receive the crew. So those are some exciting tests that we've been doing this past year as well that's not just focused on, say, the booster and the ship. There are a lot of crew systems that are being developed now. We're in work with them on how we're going to effectuate the crew manual control requirements that we have, so it's been a great balance to see what the crew needs, given the size of the ship. That's been a great set of work. We have crew office hours where the crew travels to Hawthorne [SpaceX headquarters in California] and works one-on-one with the different responsible engineers in the different technical disciplines to make sure that they understand not just little words on the paper from a requirement, but actually what this means, and then how systems can be operated.

Ars: How far along is the development and design of the layout of the crew compartment at the top of Starship? Is it far along, or is it still in the conceptual phase? What can you say about that? Lisa Watson-Morgan: It’s much further along there. We’ve had our environmental control and life support systems, whether it's carbon dioxide monitoring fans to make sure the air is circulating properly. We’ve been in a lot of work with SpaceX on the temperature. It’s... a large area (for the crew). The seats, making sure that the crew seats and the loads on that are appropriate. For all of that work, as the analysis work has been performed, the NASA team is reviewing it. They had a mock-up, actually, of some of their life support systems even as far back as eight-plus months ago. So there's been a lot of progress on that. Ars: Is SpaceX planning to use a touchscreen design for crew displays and controls, like they do with the Dragon spacecraft? Lisa Watson-Morgan: We’re in talks about that, about what would be the best approach for the crew for the dynamic environment of landing.

That just means most milestones are technical things that need to be ready before they can even attempt to do a lunar landing test with a fully working Ship. NASA confirmed this. Ironically, not rocket science.

Orbital tests already happened, prop-transfer soon.

Than why are you making such a big deal out of it?? 😂 You also seem to forget Musk specifically said those initial dates (even about 2023) are very rough estimates if everything goes right - even though in reality that barely happens.

Again pure ignorance lol. Here, last time:

Nobody here said it's stupid. Reading comprehension... We said it's a far outdated design, which shows you are not up-to-date indeed so there's more reason to take your words with heavy grains of salt.

That's not the first milestone. Again proves you know nothing about Starship dev.

Clearly not enough to understand what the HLS milestones are and how contract spending works for Starship.

And yet you have shown nothing but outdated graphs to prove your points. Ironic.