ここKara

You don't really know me so I think it's striking that you immediately moved to assuming I'm trying to "weed out" people with a model that I didn't even come up with and have told you I have qualms with myself. It's clear this is the only lens that you can view this in

but if someone has the desire, they are included. There are other reasons to object to the term cissexual (and I have one or two of my own), but I don't really think this hangs.

Afraid to say I suspect you are missing the point - I've seen what Nicole has said previously on the subject and she has been consistent that a desire - regardless of access - means transsexual under this model. I suppose closeted gay people are also missed under our model of homosexuality,

Frankly it sounds like everyone involved in this conversation is recognizing that, so I feel like there is some confusion here. Your friend would not be considered cissexual under this framework, in the same way I would not consider a celibate gay man to be straight

I'm afraid to say I'm not really agreeing with you - my point is that this is not a totally unreasonable framework (at least on this point) because your example does not mean your friend would not be considered "transsexual" due to his desire to use T, whether or not he can or does

Many gay people can live out their entire life without a fulfilling relationship that reflects their actual desires - and have - but we still understand them to be gay because we recognize the underlying desire. Not all "needs" when unfulfilled lead to death.

if you are wondering if this is me actively agreeing vs me missing the point so hard it sounds like im agreeing with you, its the former lol

I don't even see why this is hard to get. We already have a common cultural understanding that being gay is defined by an endorsed "want," but also understand that this want is a reflection of an internal difference that is in-born. Why can't the "want" to change sex reflect an internal difference?

That's a dishonest and inaccurate summary of the discourse so again I think it's bad to call trans women you disagree with to be TERFs, and again, lazy.

I actually think calling trans women you disagree with TERFs in general is a really bad look, and a lazy one at that

This isn't just about "accuracy," it's about how the headlines existence foments hatred and violence towards a community - and I'm not sure if you've noticed this - whose blood a lot of people are hungry for lately

i looked at this and not only instantly knew it was barbuta, but also was instantly put to shame by the comparatively hideously scrawled barbuta map of my own

Some of us carry them just in case others need them!

Enjoy owning many pairs of coloured tights and matching shoes

I have the self-respect to say I will not vote for somone who spits in my eye, and if every candidate scorns me and my life, then I will not vote for any of them.

If you think a single vote matters and creates good, then understand your public opinion, in the same way, is harmful. Death by a thousand cuts. Yours is one of many. It is an immoral thing to do and whether you are a moral person or not is more about your actions than your self-image.

You are actively harming us by declaring publicly this isn't a line in the sand for you. You are part of the problem. You'd be more helpful if you said you would never vote for a transphobic candidate, even if it was a lie. You are making things worse, right here, right now.

Yeah, except we're already in the shit, and we'll make you crawl through it until you learn that we won't for someone who will mulch our rights. God, this is frustrating. Don't you understand that sometimes we don't get to the other side with you? That some of us die in the shit?

Game this out: Imagine if you, and millions and millions of cis people said, "actually, I won't vote for a transphobic candidate" instead of "I'll vote for the lesser evil." Do you think that would lead to a less transphobic candidate, since they want your vote? Yes? So why aren't you helping?

You are also actively making it hard to get there by saying that you are willing to sell people out for a vote. Do you not see how public sentiment guides candidates? You are, again, abdicating your ability to help us.

You keep saying you want to go where we need to go... but a lot of us don't know if we'll be alive to see it, whereas you likely will.

I think the biggest gap in understanding here is you are conceiving this as a multi-generational effort to go from here to "less transphobia." But you cannot see it from our on-the-ground perspective, which is that we are just trying to live.

My answer is I won't vote for people who mulch my rights, period. If you want me to vote for someone, encourage them not to mulch my rights. The end!

You don't get it, because you think sacrificing my rights and choosing to continue to live in a climate of fear is a matter of "nobody being perfect." You have no idea how democracy actually works because you have no interest in proclaiming your line in the sand.

Do you want to support sacrificing our rights, but also have us be nice to you online? You can't eat your cake and have it too. Too bad. You don't get both.

By stating it's still better to vote for one transphobic person over the other, and claiming your intention to do so, you have abdicated your power as the majority to help the minority. Until you are willing to do so, don't be surprised when trans people are not super pleased by your rhetoric.

When people know you are willing to vote for someone who does not support trans rights, you remove all motivation for them to help trans people. Why would they, you'll vote for them anyways! A true ally will not support putting into power someone who does not support trans rights.

I know you posted this like 3 weeks ago but I really do need to know what this is from. Is this some Bee Movie shit or...

I voted for this guy to lead the NDP back in 2017 and I'm still mad we got Singh instead.

So when you said the argument lacks nuance, you just don't think it's worth trying. And if you don't care why are you "wasting breath" on yelling at people not to bother?

Also, not a bro. Funny thing to call me in the context of Harry potter...