These were hardly the first guys to go after young girls.

It’s easy.

Some of them were, some of them weren’t. Some are reliable sources, some aren’t.

Some were teenagers, some of them weren’t.

Child?

Deranged?

Maybe she just thinks that it’s kind of ok for 15 year olds to start having sex.

Maybe she’s not a hypocrite.

She wasn’t defending it. She’s just saying it’s not pedophilia.

Then most teenagers past and present need to be immediately arrested.

Because among other things, they’re “pedophiles.”

Lol. See what dumb conclusions this leads to?

He wasn’t an “actual pedophile.”

She’s right no matter how much people would love to change the definition of the word. Why such a morbid need to do so?

And she wasn’t defending him.

The answer to that question is that you need to ask the two parties.

In these cases there was not a “literal child” involved, either.

Btw, I’ve known a lot of teenage girls who were attracted to older guys with power and money. And it was on their own, too! They pursued them.

How offensive, yes.

Why? And if it’s correct, it’s correct.

The real questioni is, why do so many people get such a morbid thrill at making this story worse than it is?

It’s bad enough!

The media sensationalism is understandable. But for people to be getting so emotionally involved in it?

It’s weird culturally.

Perhaps. But it’s not pedophilia.

I think you’re also overly sentimentalizing the backgrounds of some of these women, and, dramatizing how it actually happened.

And for emotional effect. That’s the problem with so much of this story. It’s become manic and mob-like.

Pre-pubescent children. Not minors.

It’s very weird that so many people seemed to be thrilled to liken this all to sex with children. For many too, it’s grossly hypocritical.

It’s weird how people go from rumor-suspicion-accusation-outrage-trial-conviction-punishment all in less than one paragraph.

Sounds like he’s just mocking the characterizations and laughing at them because he thinks they’re absurd.

Pretty simple.

If she hasn’t applied then she hasn’t applied. Is that true, or not?

She’d at least have to formally apply first.

Why was Maxwell only charged with one count each on those three specific charges, and then acquitted of the third?

She did get conspiracy on the three. But you’d think there would have been dozens of charges, no?

And the prosecution wouldn’t use Virginia Giuffre as a witness.

How come?

No Romeo and Juliet exceptions? Going after teens for sex?

How Victorian of them.

It was never considered to be so until recently.

Dershowitz is not advocating sex with teenagers. He’s asking why there are so many contradictions and inconsistencies in the law.

If you read it you’ll realize that he was not advocating sex with teenagers nor lowering the age.

He was asking why we treat teenagers as adults when it comes to capital crimes in the law, but as children when it comes to sex.

It’s a good question. Why the weird and illogical contradiction?

There’s no difference?

And how many of them were actually 14? Virginia Giuffre was eventually forced to admit that most of her accusations— like those against Andrew— occurred when she was 17, which is the age of consent in NYC.

It’s called “sarcasm.”

It was like the Kitty Genovese story a decade later. Received opinion was that we were a horrible culture because everyone was ignoring her screams, but it turns out that it was the exact opposite.

People I guess just love wallowing in fear and hate, and the media of course caters to this.

Yeah. I saw the film back in college in the 70s and I was shocked that it showed (to me at least) a much different story than you’d know from the notorious reputation.

Most of the subjects were balking about having to keep turning the knob up. Instead of being depressing, it was refreshing.

None of this is pedophilia and none of these people are pedophiles. It’s not a “legal distinction.” Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children.

Period. So why all this morbid need for such gross exaggeration?

This “general public” also voted last year for Trump. Oh boy to them.

Literal child?

Wasn’t Virginia Giuffre too eventually forced to concede that she was mostly 17 and older when this stuff happened - the age of consent in NYC?

She had no agency? She was also forced to declare in court that at least one of her claimed assaulters never was.

How is anyone Epstein involved getting away with anything?

Even associates who are completely innocent of these sexual accusations are getting tarred by the same brush.

Exactly what’s pedophilia now? And at what age does this diagnosis not apply?

That’s my point. Because none of this is “pedophilia.”

Love how so many of you scolds can’t keep away from the irrational attacks and smears. How come?

Who ever is saying that?

Its notorious conclusions were basically contrived. Most of the volunteers were very upset at being coerced into continuing at the controls.

Have you ever seen the film of Milgram?

A lot of the subjects wanted to stop (most), but they were basically coerced into keeping on because of assurances by the doctor. They weren’t doing it on their own enthusiastically.

There’s been recent revisionist work on the Milgram Experiment btw that suggests that its conclusions in part are the opposite of what people have always thought.

That like the later notorious Kitty Genovese story, a number of spectators actually WERE concerned and wanted to deal with the victim.