Omar Khan

Well it's true 'bourgeois' is a foreign word therefore no migrants can be 'working class' which is a properly English term

Ethnicity, poverty, and in-work inequalities in the UK This literature review looks at the main patterns, themes and key issues relating to research on ethnicity and experiences in work in the UK.

Migration policy has directly & indirectly impacted racial inequalities since the 1905 Aliens Act

Half of ethnic minorities are migrants, & many the children of migrants

Which partly explains higher unemployment, insecure work, in-work poverty & child poverty rates

www.jrf.org.uk/race-and-eth...

Tony Hudgell wins his campaign for new UK child cruelty register Tony Hudgell, who lost both legs after his birth parents assaulted him, has fought to protect children.

BBC News - Boy, 11, wins campaign for new UK child cruelty register
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Tony is the best of us, as is his mum

In the last few years a bit but less so here than in the US, I believe

Looking at life expectancy data I didn't realise we've gained 6 full years since 1990

I agree a narrow identity politics is both a dead end intellectually & morally, as well as a barrier to building alliances across differences

But this concern has become a major constraint or even led to squeamishness abt talking about & responding to real social injustice, esp racial inequalities

5-10 yrs ago I wrote how much of the discussion on child poverty, even from those who campaigned against it, studiously avoided discussion of its much higher prevalence amg Asian and Black children

Unless I missed it, it's also an argument the govt has avoided, nationally or in Gorton and Denton?

Thank you

Great new paper in The Review of Economic Studies using randomized incentives to detect non-response bias, using administrative data to provide ground truth for comparison. While incentives increased participation, they didn't reliably reduce NR bias

academic.oup.com/restud/advan...

There is evidence on why ethnic minorities in Britain vote as they do, tho the best evidence is now 15+ yrs old

'Sectarianism' and foreign affairs are not the key drivers

Instead: Economics (esp unemployment) & a view that your ethnic group experiences discrimination which party X will respond to

What is the best analysis you've all read on what is going on in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

You can get a breakdown using the Census table builder www.ons.gov.uk/datasets/cre..., according to which 87% of Muslim people in the constituency speak English well / as their main language

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95% of people in Gorton and Denton speak English well or as a main language

4.2% speak it but not well

0.9% don't speak English

Given Muslims are 28% of the constituency, the large majority of them speak English well or as a main language

ONS data here:

www.ons.gov.uk/visualisatio...

The Reform spokesperson on #r4today is something, it's really striking he's got no idea why people don't vote for them, Muslim or otherwise

Child poverty figures even starker: 65% of Bangladeshi children, 59% of Pakistani; poverty also affects half of Black and Chinese children

Chart from House of Commons Library, an excellent source for many social issues: commonslibrary.parliament.uk/which-childr...

Chart from Trust for London:

trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty...

All ethnic minorities have higher rates of poverty than white people in London and nationally

Rising to 62% for Bangladeshis living in the capital

Black people also have high poverty rates

Only *male* white English people, which I've heard referred to as 'the most disadvantaged ethnic [sic] group' too, so the brainlessness cuts in three ways: misunderstanding race and class and gender! It's impresssive

Yes, I have been trying to argue against that narrative for at least two decades, eg

www.google.com/amp/s/www.hu...

One casualty of the racialisation of class: people fail to recognise that most Bangladeshi and Pakistani people in Britain are working class

That they have the highest rates of poverty

And that historically economic and related factors have been the key driver of their voting behavior

I also don't think the evidence from eg EMBES (appreciate it's 16 years ago!) indicates Pakistanis and Bangladeshis voted for such reasons: economic issues and party affiliation were by far the biggest drivers (the Iraq War mentioned by a tiny minority)

Yeah, much of the 'white working class' narrative has long been clearly focused only on men, excluding white women as well as men and women people of colour from the working class. In other words, as you say, that version of the narrative isn't really about *class* at all

So the candidate who left school at 16 with no A-Levels and who's spent her whole adult life vocational, manual jobs beat the ivory tower academic turned cushy media pundit, but you can be sure we'll still get plenty more casual description of the latter as "white working class".

Yeah yeah yeah you think all Muslims are Islamist terrorists we know

Unoriginal, brainless, predictable, like all racisms

If I told you: person x got into trouble for making a racist statement about group Y

We'd all be able to guess what they said about group Y

Person X is not the (main) issue

I am not suggesting Labour will see a return of these voters as over 2005-2010, not least as there was no viable party alternative on their left then, but it is striking just how far the vote has plummeted in such a relatively short span of time

A variation on the theme of: voters are volatile?

The 2010 ethnic minority boost to the British Election Study found that the Iraq war & international issue generally were *not* the main or even particularly salient reason for voting Labour among these groups: economic issues and party affiliation by far explained their vote

Some context on the estimated Pakistani & Bangladeshi vote in Gorton and Denton

Roughly 90% of these voters nationally chose Labour in GE 2017, and 70% in 2010

In 1997, Labour got similarly large support. Tho the Iraq war did impact votes in 2005, by 2010 most of these voters again chose Labour

'Progressives are two thirds of the population and they're all mindless sheep' doesn't seem very populist or democratic

A bit sneery and arrogant if you ask me - or more importantly the voters, evidently

Tweet from Ana Kasparian: "Hey, bitch, the goyim are waking the fuck up. Deal with it."

This is the Executive Producer of the (at least nominally) left-wing news program The Young Turks, with almost a million followers.

Really does feel like we're headed down a bad road with this growing Red-Brown alliance.

He's almost had an insight there: it isn't straightforward to build alliances across difference and narrow identity-based thinking hinders it

Tho he's projecting his commitment to the latter and assuming others are similarly motivated or so identify

I am looking more for philosophy, engaging with eg Parfit on personal identity, on group based claims and rights, and standpoint theory / epistemic justice but more linked to our shared/overlapping identity with an epistemic community than to questions of justice