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A drawing of several bridges which would have existed on the Liverpool and Manchester Railway in 1836. Sketches of each bridge are placed where they would have stood along a map of the line

The next section of the L&MR bridge study - block 2b- V2. Including the mystery bridge at Whiston, subject of previous post.

A discussion document about the historic and current railway bridges in the Whiston area, with sketches, photos and document extracts to help.

Still baffled by the Whiston 1 bridge issue. Discussion board attached and grateful for any comments, opinions, musings, insults etc. as always. Find it hard to believe there was no station (or halt??) at Whiston (until 1990??). Originally wondered if this was ex 'Bottom of Whiston Incline' .

An extract from an Ordnance Survey map of 1849. Shows the town of Whiston in Lancashire, where a railway cuts through.

@lmrailway.bsky.social Hi Paul. re Whiston bridges -1830. The bridge list shows Whistons 1 and 2; both stone. The OS map for 1840odd seems to show a level crossing, two wooden bridges and bridge 2. A later bridge roughly takes the place of the western most wooden bridge; struggling to see bridge 1.

A painting. A reconstruction of BrMley Moore dock in Liverpool as it would have looked in the 1860s. Showing an aeriel view of several docks, warehouses, sailing ships, trains and vehicles and a windmill.

Hi Dr John, thanks very much for the comments. I have actually completed one recon of BM (1860s). Quite something to sit in the HD stadium and realise its heritage.

Hi Brian, thanks very much for your comments and kind offers of documentation. I'm grateful . DM on the way. Cheers

A painting of how Liverpool Road Station Manchester would have looked in 1836. An ariel view showing the railway itself, warehouses, streets and buildings, factories, people and transport

Liverpool Road Station Version 3. Multiple amendments (stonework, building details, street furniture, horses etc). Still tbc for Version 4 - a) coal-drop detail, b) departures roof, c) arrivals exit.
Thanks very much all for comments etc.

A study of a set of 12 bridges (sketches and descriptions) which were built for the Liverpool and Manchester Railway. In this case all show arches passing under the railway through an embankment

Liverpool and Manchester Railway, panorama study (features) block 2A - Ainsworths Bridge to Lee's Bridge number 1; numbered 8 to 20 on original list. Thanks to @lmrailway.bsky.social

Thanks Dennis, its very atmospheric!

Well found Vrs. A very interesting shot! Yes, Im wondering if the handful of narrow bunkers at the north end (which seems too narrow for access) might be dispensers.

That must have been an interesting commission.

Hi Dennis. Thanks. Yes, maps generally show 4 main tracks including opening day, with the later OS maps showing additional shed and coaldrop tracks. As it happens, there is no precise track disposition image for the date of this reconstruction, 1836.

A discussion document seeking analysis about the coal drop structures at Liverpool Road Station manchester in the 1830s with maps, discussion points and speculative diagrams

Thanks very much for your analysis etc. around the coaldrops Vrs and I am just catching up. I had discharge into the Station, but had another look (attached) and wondered what might be best guess re discharge direction/design. Should I just be showing a blank wall??!! Anybody else got owt?

A discussion document seeking analysis about the coal drop structures at Liverpool Road Station manchester in the 1830s with maps, discussion points and speculative diagrams

Thanks very much for your analysis etc. around the coaldrops Vrs and I am just catching up. I had discharge into the Station, but had another look (attached) and wondered what might be best guess re discharge direction/design. Should I just be showing a blank wall??!! Anybody else got owt?

Its possible Vrs. I think two apertures to a bin was the case at Halifax though?

Thanks very much for your reply Ant, I am very grateful. A very interesting process and I am beginning to understand how unreliable those earlier maps can be as you say.

Thanks Ant. Do you mean there was a colonnaded roof in front of departures (right - red arrow area) as well as the one apparently at yellow arrow? i.e. as my illustration left? The 1831 map suggests not then at least. There is a covering in a later OS map but reconfigured for goods at that point?

A blog entry showing architectural details that exist around the viaduct leading into Liverpool Street station Manchester. Suggests the passenger exit from arrivals was once by crossing the tracks

Thanks for the comments Ant. Im working through them. Horse shunting defo under-represented so have corrected that. Very little evidence to go on re the arrivals exit arrangements. This from the Castlefield Forum

Thanks very much John!

Yes, had a another look Paul. Needs an adjustment as you say. Thanks as always

Yes, its yellow sandstone. I went to see it last week, 200 yrs weathered in your photo obvs but you can see close to that where it is washed, its almost beige, hence Smoult - and in the sunlight. May have got it a bit on the light side however, but liked the contrast!

A message from Eliza Carthy- "Dear everyone, A month ago, Martin, at 84, was diagnosed with late-onset Alzheimers Disease. While his doctor initially suggested that Dad would and should be able to tour in the Spring, and we were hoping to use the tour to say goodbye0 to Dad's many fans, it now appears that this won't be possible or advisable for his health Dad sends his love and regrets to everyone hoping to see him one more time. Eliza will fulfil these shows, and will try to honour his legacy as much as possible. Our family thanks you for your patience and love."

A message from Eliza Carthy about her dad, #MartinCarthy

That's very kind Eric. Yes, I have just got it via a previous recommend from Vrs. Thanks very much.

A discussion document dealing with the arrangements for passengers arriving at Liverpool Street Station in Manchester during the early 1830s. A map Showing options together with supporting photos of a bridge nearby

Thanks all for comments; really grateful. Very interesting stuff (not the least of which shunting and coal drop arrangements!) which I am looking at. Re arrivals passengers see attached... @lmrailway.bsky.social
@hillsider45.bsky.social
@vrsimility.bsky.social
@railwayhobbit.bsky.social

Discussion board to come, but here's at least a view!

Thanks Vrs and removed. Was a hangover from the Bury view

Hi Urs! Thanks v much as always. Several months work with collaboration but effectively, a new landscape view. yes, please do!

Very interesting! From memory and e.g. Nasmyth has the agents house two stories etc.. And are they just crossing Water Street at the point of emergence from the slope? on the other hand I worried about the little doorway he shows on the bridge. Although that would still mean crossing the tracks??

Thanks Vrs. Could be. Hard to see where it would go to.

Thank you Ant! I thought I saw the track crossing as a ref somewhere but couldn't see any evidence of another exit?

A painting of Liverpool Road station Manchester as it would have looked in 1836. An aeriel shot showing Irwell river and ships, the railway running through the paintings several with trains; vehicles, buildings, a water tower and warehouses

Re: Previous. A slightly better res and intensity.