When neurons change, but behavior doesnβt: Excitability changes driving representational drift
New preprint of work with Christian Machens: www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...
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When neurons change, but behavior doesnβt: Excitability changes driving representational drift
New preprint of work with Christian Machens: www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...
Certainly true! These two things are related but not the same. This is actually a bit of a misstatement in the article as in the study we donβt look at response strength but at neurons based on their visual information (measured by ROC) metrics and find that they do not appear to be weighted more.
02.08.2025 14:06 β π 3 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Oh! Seems like a big deal, this. Makes sense too. Like, how would the rest of the brain know which neurons to sample, and if it did already know what the stimulus is, then it wouldn't need those neurons' signals to classify it.
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Activity is dominated by vision (or spontaneous fluctuations) in L2/3 and by movement in L5. This leads to different geometries.
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But also we try to be clearer on this in the paper but itβs hard in short form- we show that visual/task coding properties donβt determine read out but read out based on projection target is possible. Iβd love to test that directly in the future!
18.05.2025 22:18 β π 2 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Yeah this is an important point. Recurrent excitation in V1 could mean that neurons are recruiting more neurons and so they recruit neurons with all the important projection targets. I believe the great majority of L2/3 neurons connect to L5 which is an important output route.
18.05.2025 22:10 β π 0 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0But I wouldnβt be surprised if we still find the strategy is a bit different than that predicted by decoders! Like Jin et al 2019 showing that mice donβt seem to use negative weights on anti tuned neurons in their read out for orientation discrimination, even though thatβs probably helpful
18.05.2025 22:06 β π 2 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Iβd speculate Iβd see the same in other discrimination tasks where averaging regardless of neural vis properties is viable. But different oris of equal contrast stimuli drive very similar average V1 activity, so that presumably needs different strategy. Marshel et al 2019 also supports this idea.
18.05.2025 22:04 β π 5 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0I definitely don't think I would've gotten the same results in several common discrimination tasks (ie orientation discrimination). But, in addition to your results, Gauld et al's 2024 photostim results are also consistent with averaging occurring in discrim when the task is amenable to it.
17.05.2025 21:23 β π 2 π 0 π¬ 2 π 0Take that with a grain of salt though since this spontaneous dataset isnβt huge!
17.05.2025 21:14 β π 1 π 0 π¬ 0 π 0Thanks! We did look at this a little. Generally PCA pulls out components related to visual or task variables so you get the same results. But I also ran PCA on only intertrial activity and didnβt see any link between weights and behavioral relevance
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These very cool findings match up perfectly with our human psychophysics data from this paper: jov.arvojournals.org/article.aspx...
Brains are fine using dumb (aka suboptimal) strategies when they can get away with it.
This argues that downstream regions summate V1 activity without preferentially weighting more informative neurons to make sensory decisions in this task. Why use a suboptimal strategy? Speculatively, this generalizable strategy may be better in unpredictable natural environs.
15.05.2025 16:38 β π 9 π 1 π¬ 1 π 0We found that the visual sensitivity of photostimulated ensembles did not predict the change in behavior - instead the overall impact on network activity (both directly via photostimulation and indirectly via recurrent impacts) was strongly predictive of behavioral change (4/5)
15.05.2025 16:38 β π 7 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Left, a schematic showing targeted two-photon photostimulation of pyramidal neurons. Right, two graphs showing the visual only and visual + photostimulation responses of neural populations - the random group has low visual responses while the visually sensitive groups have strong responses.
If this more optimal strategy is used, photostimulating visually sensitive ensembles should more positively impact detection performance than photostimulating random ensembles. Using targeted optogenetics, we photostimulated ensembles with different visual sensitivity in behaving animals (3/5)
15.05.2025 16:38 β π 5 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Left, a head-fixed mouse performing a contrast detection task for water reward. Center, diagrams of decoding strategies: either unweighted or weighted decoders. In unweighted, three neurons are connected to a logistic function by equally weighted lines, while in the weighted the lines vary in thickness. Right, a graph showing data of decoding results for the two decoders across contrasts. At all contrasts, the weighted decoder does much better
This is surprising because, although V1 responds monotonically to contrast, so an unweighted read out can solve contrast detection, more strongly weighting more visually sensitive neurons is much more optimal (2/5)
15.05.2025 16:38 β π 7 π 0 π¬ 1 π 0Excited to share my PhD paper! In it, we use targeted 2-photon optogenetic stimulation to determine how V1 activity is read-out in a detection task. We found that network influence, not visual coding properties, predicted the impact of ensembles on behavior - contradicting our expectations (1/5).
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