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What’s wrong with criticising the SNP? I criticise the Greens on many things. It’s healthy to be critical. I wouldn’t call that “bashing”. I respect and would work with people in the progressive wing of the SNP on many things.

The SNP alone is not the Indy movement.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at?

I’m getting people joining the Greens and telling me they were disappointed with the SNP. If they feel more comfortable in the Greens of course I’ll welcome them. I also have friends more comfortable in the SNP. There’s nothing wrong with any of that.

I just said some people are disappointed with the SNP and are shifting to the Greens? It’s factually correct, and better for the indy movement than if they went to Labour or Reform instead.

It’s healthy to have a multi-party indy movement because not everyone will agree with the SNP on policy.

The bottom line is I want folks to be able to vote however they wish. Lending votes to Greens or SNP, however they wish. An Indy majority can achieve a lot, especially when SNP + Greens work together.

I just don’t believe a majority in seats without a majority of vote share is enough for Indyref2.

I can’t speak for my party, but personally I want a result that reflect vote share as much as possible. I stand against unrepresentative voting systems when it works against Greens, and I also don’t want this. I don’t believe it’s productive, and it would only alienate those that didn’t vote for us.

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Gap in const. and list (9% vs 12% in this case) consistent with FPTP pressures on smaller parties.

That 9% is the prediction if we stood everywhere. We won’t. If poll was correct, the const share for Greens in practice would be below 9, as voters wouldn’t have the option, and look elsewhere.

Once again I agree with you here too. I just think that whilst making the case for independence we must also ensure we’re governing effectively with the tools we have to rekindle both the salience of independence and boost public support for it.

Completely agree. That’s actually exactly what I’m saying. Many Green aligned voters vote for the SNP when the Greens aren’t an option, or they feel pressured by FPTP to not let a unionist/ right wing party in.

Also to be clear I completely agree with you here. I think it’s abhorrent Labour governs with a majority propped up with a third of the vote, and that they’ve abandoned electoral reform. I call that out, which is why I don’t want us to make the same mistake.

I much prefer a fully proportional open list system to AMS, and I don’t blame people for seeing an opportunity to be strategic with your vote. Go for it if you want to. I know many that will. My point is that I’m not convinced it advances independence without the majority in vote share.

I want independence. I just think seats don’t tell the whole story, and we need to be honest with ourselves that if Indy parties get a majority, no matter how big, on 40% of the list vote combined, many people won’t be convinced.

It would echo Labours 2024 result, which is already falling apart.

Interestingly this very same YouGov poll deals with this question. Unless the Indy majority is reflected in the list vote share for Indy parties, it won’t carry public salience.

It also suggested a negligible difference between whether the majority is just SNP or Indy parties.

I completely recognize the merit of the strategy. I know many Greens will vote for the SNP on the constituency.

I just don’t believe an Indy “supermajority” propped up by a low list vote share will move the needle at Westminster nor with the general public. That comes from good governance.

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Where Greens stand, the gap between constituency and list vote is better explained by Green voters lending votes to the SNP worried about FPTP in constituencies.

I was asked a question that implied Green support was disproportionately SNP voters lending votes. This narrative has been debunked.

This matters because it embodies an attitude that elevates an SNP majority as more conducive to Indy than a pro-Indy majority, which is untrue and problematic. 2/2

I take your point. I’m not against working with the SNP, and I recognise the value of cooperation, including on Indy.

However, Greens and the SNP disagree on other issues. I was just recognising that there are voters disappointed with the SNP looking at the Greens. That’s good for the movement 1/2

Pretty well I suspect. Our constituency share is strong, and considering FPTP discourages voting for smaller parties I’m confident our true support is above that.

The SNP alone is not the Indy movement. I want an Indy majority, but I want it to be more representative of vote share.

Worth noting this is on the first past the post constituency ballot, which discourages voting for smaller parties. The more proportional and representative list ballot figures already have Greens ahead of the LD and Tories.

More evidence of a convergence between our constituency and list vote shares.

More and more people are done lending their vote to the SNP, and want to vote Green on both ballots.

A strong Green voice is the best way to enable progressive policy, whilst advancing independence.

I think the SNP positioning an SNP majority as the only way to deliver Indy, regardless of votes for the Greens, better fits the characterisation of power craving. An SNP majority with 30-35% of the vote alone won’t change anything, yet gives them a majority just as misrepresentative as Labours.

The issue is I doubt gaming the system in this way to get a “supermajority” in seats and not vote share convinces the UK govt. The key is vote share for Indy parties, not just seats, and SNP and GRN are equally valid there. I also want a strong Green voice to keep the SNP in check in other areas.

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Assuming you’re in one of the South constituencies, a Green list vote is definitely not wasted, especially as the SNP look set to win enough South constituencies to not be allocated list seats anyways. This poll shows a Green MSP in South Scotland, but we need every vote to make that happen!

Best ever list vote and joint best constituency for the Greens here (certainly, of any BBS covered poll), though Ipsos do tend to be on the higher end. Worst Labour constituency share of this term. Alba such a tiny proportion of respondents they don't even register; was 2% on list last poll.

New poll. Scottish Greens on course for best ever result. 2021: 8 MSPs. Poll: 17 MSPs. STV/Ipsos, 10/12/25.

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Independence takes lead and Labour support plummets in new Scottish poll LABOUR support has dropped significantly in Scotland while more voters are backing the SNP and Reform, according to a new poll.

NEW: Independence support in the lead as Labour keep losing support in new Ipsos polling

Meanwhile the Greens and Reform are tied on the list on 17% each - will the Scottish media start to better reflect that? Don't bet on it

www.thenational.scot/news/2568720...

Im doubtful of new pollsters in Scotland and F.O.N. show why.

Record Green shares are nice. But prompting list VI with “second vote” phrasing increases risk of people conflating with STV 2nd pref, and retrenches the devaluation of list votes.

Greens can reach 15%. But I don’t trust these numbers.

Neck and neck for 3rd and touching distance to 2nd. Really a testament to what’s possible, and a sign of what we can aim for as members vote for their Holyrood candidates.

Also 3 (!!!) Green constituency wins would be sensational, and proof that when we stand on every ballot voters will choose us.

Map of projected seats. SNP win 59 constituencies, Conservatives 1, Labour 5, Lib Dems 5, Greens 3. Regional list seats are 0 SNP, 6 Conservative, 18 Labour, 13 Green, 2 Lib Dem, 17 Reform UK. Labour lead in West, Glasgow and Edinburgh and Lothians East, SNP lead in other five regions. Gallagher Index is 15.1 - a lower index means a more proportional result.

Map of projected runners up and margins. SNP are second in 13 constituencies, Conservatives in 14, Labour in 41, Lib Dems in 3, Greens in 1, Reform UK in 1. Closest runner up for last list seat per region is Conservative in Highlands and Islands, North East and Central and West Lothian, Labour in West, Glasgow and Mid and Fife, Lib Dem in South, and Reform UK in Edinburgh and Lothians East. In percentage terms margins of victory are 13 constituencies below 5, 21 between 5 and 10, 27 between 10 and 20, 12 above 20.

Projecting Ipsos 12-18 Jun into seats (changes vs 25-31 Jan 24(!) / vs 2021; both on new boundaries):

SNP ~ 59 (+2 / -4)
Lab ~ 23 (-18 / +2)
Reform UK ~ 17 (+17 / +17)
Green ~ 16 (+5 / +6)
Con ~ 7 (-7 / -24)
Lib Dem ~ 7 (+1 / +3)

(Projection caveats: ballotbox.scot/projections)