Still not getting it.

In any other scenario a man wishing ill of men shooting kids in the head would be applauded by the majority.

Why is it different when the IDF are doing the extreme child abuse action of killing.

Strong Nurse Ratchet vibes.

It is like an EQ and IQ test for Labour back benchers.

Will they fall for the manipulation ?
Can the independently think in a critical way ?

I'm genuinely interested to see who was sold fools gold.

Labour's biggest problem may be that by the time it wants to have an integrity of mission those who could have helped won't want to.

The issue is that this is not really a Uturn. It is a delayed imposition.

Can you make your point again clearly.
I've shown these comments to a couple of friends and we're not sure what you're trying to say.

The lack of innovative policy.

The attention to spreadsheet.

The numbers without intelligent use of them.

The lack of AI as even a minor consideration.

The failure to consult.

The lack of safeguards.

The pretence of work coach skills that do not exist.

The illusion of cost cutting.
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Would we accept this kind of planning from our children or intervene to avoid their failure and ensure a positive outcome ?

Have a look at the downstream effects of reduced spending by PIP which due to their MPC and the multiplier effect will reduce GDP and cost jobs, not create, up to 90,000.
It will at best reshuffle cost allocation not reduce costs-like switching short term to long term liabilties on an balance sheet.

Yes the transformation of a claimant's life going from the relatively 'protected' status to conditionality ( however much that is cheated on via reviews ) is as important as the financial aspect for mental health, autonomy and recovery from previous coercive control - amongst other life histories.

True.

It is beginning to look like those at the 'top' really know very little about the issues, innovative policy possibilities and how AI could help, including how PIP payments could in permanent cases help to build assets otherwise denied for life.

It is astonishing just how arbitrary the lines drawn are - as if a spreadsheet were running the policy.

It is also astonishing how little thought has been put into positive empowering reforms including the use of AI in them.

Yes we know only 27% of the population support the reforms with Labour members likely skewed even more so.

Starmer has strayed too far from the track on this one.

It may be Liz "Welfare Truss' black and white thinking to blame in part.

Ignorance as well.

And failure to pay for innovative policy.

I thought that here you were implying that it is a majority of Labour MPs..."I am trying to remember the last time a majority of a PM's own party opposed a measure before it was presented"

The error in concept of Labour's 'we put the Truss in Welfare' bill.

Whence Labour leadership thinks that concessions to MPs are the issue rather than centering those affected by change and inadequate services.

There are not 50% of Labour MPs against it yet unless I missed something today.

However, they should be.

It is an out of date bill before being voted on. No concept of the role of AI in service provision.

We certainly shouldn't exclude the possibility that Starmer's crew have calculated that if they can get these reforms through with the Conservatives they sum that it will be 'clear sailing' thereafter with the rebellion over but unachieving.
It would be short sighted but 'pragmatic' on its surface.

We'll see I guess - but the UKs recent history is full of PMs who pushed ahead contrary to consensus advice and lived to rue it - but at a huge cost to the UK poulation.

We seem to have a large number of MPs with integrity - maybe it will return to parliament - but are we convinced that Starmer values his own MPs over conservatives?

He is more likely to empower the conservatives than the disabled I fear.

It is disturbing just how many senior politicians in Labour have huge areas of ignorance on the issues in relation to disability: the trajedy is that it means their 'reforms' are destined to fail both the disabled and society equally.

And the opposition ? Haven't got the wherewithall to oppose.

It is incredibly useful for opposition parties that the Labour MPs failing to do their job paint the target on their seats like this. Now the job is for oppositions to work together, sometimes through primaries, to ensure their unseating.

Excellent legal and moral clarity as ever.

True but one can learn from the classic projection:

"They don't know what the fuck they're doing".

A comfortable life creates many empathy gaps.

In the UK we have a similar issue with those ignorant of the lives of the disabled literally voting to plunge them and their children further into poverty.

Always done 'for their own good'.

The more informed MPs make themselves the less they are likely to support staircases made of quicksand.

Aha, if we re talking about Green strategy and tactics, yes there are largely absent and it can be feared that they will fail to score penalties in an indefensible goal.

They need to take advice or pay for it but can do very well if they sort it out with those voting for the cuts painting targets.

I may not have voted with her on this occasion but I do respect her and that her vote would be based on her own assessment of the best interests of her constituents.

Are you only on bluesky ?

How is that a problem ?

For myself that would be like criticising a physicist for not mentioning that H and O are in water when speaking to other physicists.

Is there anybody reading or posting who doesn't know what bill it is or who is affected ?