Fate Holloway

Alright, so you're just a LARPer then. Thanks for showing me that continuing this discussion is worthless.

Doesn't change the fact they're being lied to and having their anger and alienation with life aimed towards minorities instead of the larger enemy, same way your anger is being directed towards them instead of the people doing harm to EVERYONE.

Okay but fighting that homophobic uncle isn't going to do any long term good, and the only reason he wants to fight in the first place is that the enemy of both of you convinced him to. Don't worry about the individual nobodies, look for the bigger enemy.

I've seen people I otherwise respected giving him space on their platforms lately, absolutely disappointing. I'm no longer engaging with anyone who chooses to platform that man.

Your homophobic uncle doesn't have any systemic power to make lives worse on a scale much larger than within his immediate vicinity, and choosing to "go to war" with uncle Mark while ignoring the class division right in front of you is playing into that manufactured divide.

I never suggested there wouldn't be class traitors, I'm saying that "my sole enemy is MAGA voters" is shortsighted and playing into a manufactured conflict.

They've been sold a lie, told by people they believed they could trust that all their problems are caused by x y or z. When we look at the history of Nazi Germany, do we blame the individual German people, or do we blame Hitler and his party? The whole right vs left thing is manufactured conflict.

okay, sure, but the point I'm trying to make is that the whole right vs left thing is a manufactured conflict. Sure, there will be class traitors, but that's not where our efforts should be focused.

The billionaire class wants us divided, fighting against ourselves. That's why they feed those lies to the MAGA people, to trick them into thinking we're the enemy. You're playing into their game, and it's gonna cost us all because you can't see the ware that's already waging against you.

Never said MAGA was our friend, just that the billionaire class wants to divide us and you're playing directly into that.

We are at war, a CLASS war. The enemy isn't your working class neighbour who doesn't pay attention to politics and voted for Trump, your enemy is Trump, Musk, and all their cronies making life worse for every working class individual, including the ones who voted for him.