Padre Florecita

some places do skip it midweek - but it's remarkable to me how many don't; I too would probably have chosen to prioritize the other readings!

I too have always seen psalms in TEC...even in midday masses they keep one psalm and the gospel and leave out all other readings sometimes!

I found out! Yes it was Salt Lake and she was the youngest torch carrier that year. So there ya go.

The 7-fjells-tur! Even though we only made it over 5 mountains, that's not so bad for less than a year postpartum - and it got me excited about future long hikes. I'm doing the Great Saunter around Manhattan this year.

Absalom Jones was and is a legend of Black History, Episcopal history and American history. His legacy will never be erased. Born enslaved, he was a co-conspirator in helping form what we now know as the “Black Church”.

St. Thomas African Episcopal Church in Philly is his church.

it's true and i always feel vaguely resentful about it lol

(yes the polity is not at all the same but more similar in comparison to either most other prots or RC)

but that's what I mean when I say that while the Oxford Movement def came from that nationalist/slightly ahistorical strand, I think a lot of current Anglo-Catholics exist because of the space it made but not buying into it as their main reason for being Anglican

For me at least I have come to strongly prefer Anglican and Orthodox polity, but in my process of understanding that came after the gender theology issue. If I had been born RC I might well be still within rhe RC church and very frustrated all the time though

Yes. And IMO part of what is going on is that many Episcopalians, like me, today hold largely (not entirely) catholic theology and liturgical positions but do not adhere to RC theology of gender and have ended up in TEC because we cannot be RC based on those differences

Yes, for sure. OK, we're on the same page! I'm not a historian myself particularly, so was curious if I was missing something about Henry etc.

(Note, I'm not endorsing that motivation, my Anglo-Catholicism comes from a totally different orientation, but it seems to me to be a strand that at least is reviving something in the early history of Anglicanism)

What I mean is, definitely you're right in the history, but I have the (maybe mistaken) impression that the very root of the CoE comes not from theology (as Lutherans, etc) but from geopolitics. & that's what one Anglo-Cath strand focuses on - the supposed "revival of a truly English catholicism"

I think (1) it's true that the Anglican communion has trended more catholic over time, especially in liturgy, but also (2) does this ignore the Henry VIII attitude that doesn't prioritize theology at all in favor of nationalist/pragmatic motivations?

Yes! It's basically the only thing we're all stuck with, theologically speaking. Without a curia or any of the stuff that regulates folks in the RC world, we are all committed to the BCP and that's kinda basically it (ok, yes, there's canon law, but it's not generally about theological issues).

I'm so sorry

I do not do what I want (leave your mentions alone) but I do the very thing that I hate (snow someone else's account with my obsessions)

OK, that's actually more correct, you're right!

(now we're blowing up someone's replies with unrelated inter-Anglican shit. SORRY)

I truly don't understand how you can have female priests but not female bishops. I think people who oppose female ordination are super wrong, but at least consistent from that wrong position!

lol, yeah, I don't get that. my personal problem with ACNA is about them choosing theological incoherency for the sake of building a big tent of Folks Who Don't Like Something TEC Did, not about their anti-queer stances or whatever, so this tracks with my stereotypes, alas

It is! That specific line is really interesting in prayerbook history - it is basically the most debated thing in the prayer book and in the early prayer book was added/deleted a TON. Finally they gave up and put it in but made it optional. (This is obviously a very surfacey gloss of a subject)

This serves as a good reminder that I rarely actually know what is what level of dogma in the RC - and that's also true for RC layfolks (as you might guess, we interact with lots of folks leaving the RC for TEC and hear about what they think RC teaching is, which is sometimes not accurate)

An interesting Anglican liturgical example: in the current mass, the Invitation is "the gifts of God for the people of God," but we have the option to add the memorialist line "take them in remembrance that Christ died for you, and feed on him in your hearts by faith, with thanksgiving" (I never do)

That's quite materially different than what I thought was the case (that RC folks were bound to believe the specific Aristotelian mechanic of Real Presence, and the CoE was bound to believe in ANY explanation of Real Presence EXCEPT the Aristotelian one)

So maybe better to say the Episcopalian position and the RC position are the same position - since we are not bound by the Articles (I'm not sure if ACNA revived the Articles, they tend to be more Reformed than Episcopalians are). (Tho in practice there's many more memorialist tendencies in TEC)

This is super interesting because it basically leads me to think that the Catholic position and the Anglican position ARE THE SAME POSITION, except that part in the 39 Articles (which again, do not bind Episcopalian clergy, thank God) where they saltily reject transubstantiation (meaning Aristotle)

Not to mention a common experience of going to a foreign country, learning a new language, and experiencing life as an outsider!

that is fascinating - I really misunderstood that!

he probably does the rock thing and is Captain Cod lol

when I was really serious about sports I ate nothing but chicken breast, broccoli and brown rice for dinner for like a year cause it was cheap and fit my macros

(c. Queen Elizabeth I but actually also today)