Hope this turns out well. Make Troy Great Again!!!

Christ and incarnation are not “plan b”

Let it be

Some might say this makes death… sacramental

Crucifixion —> Conception —> Creation

Oddly ended up on an evangelical track website today and came across this jewel. I’m lightly tempted to buy a few to check the second box and mail back in. Whatever this religion is it isn’t my Christianity. This moral stupidity must end.

We shouldn’t try to “go back” and try to emulate their whole system as if real and positive development hasn’t happened, but we do need to know what it was they believed so we don’t turn theology into one or another form of ideological anachronism.

The Apostles (esp. Paul) were not 19th C Catholics, 16th C Protestants, 6th C Augustinians, or even 4th C Nicenes, they were 1st C Jews whose apocalyptic expectations were radically different even from their own post-apocalyptic traditions 50-100 years later.

Either that or he would say “too slow” in some obscure language.

Random person asks if anyone knows what this long Greek word apokatastasis means?

Me:

I’ve heard this view in a few places

Scripture is Scripture only when it lives within the living subject that is the Church.

- Joseph Ratzinger

All things resemble their maker

Metahistorical/deific resurrection can give a way forward perhaps

The whole triune God indwells the whole of creation. None should pretend to be islands separate from the infinte ocean of being that is God—and to be part of God is to love neighbor and enemy as oneself.

Many Christians now: Humility? Gentleness? Weak. Passive. We want power and wealth!

The idea that having wealth is a virtue that obviously commends a person to a position of power is antithetical to Christianity. Nope, it's a huge red flag.

This applies even to the "good" billionaires, y'all.

Cain: Make Sacrifice Great Again
Pharaoh: Make Egypt Great Again
Jeroboam (I & II): Make Israel Great Again
Nebuchadnezzar: Make Babylon Great Again
King Herod: Make Judea Great Again
Pontus Pilate: Make Rome Great Again
The Beast: Make Empire Great again

“Pick up a damn dictionary. Learn something.”

~ DBH

I think we agree on the practical results, but differ slightly on the means of getting there, and the language of the eternal world as historical/temporal.

Sure. But faith itself doesn’t know what exactly it is believing in (content wise), it is Christ whom we trust, not the specifics of how it will positively all work out. Which is what I take the verse to mean.

There aren’t what?

Not sure I follow the connection there. Both of us affirm an empty tomb and the defeat of death.

It’s ok if we do.

Do hold that the eternal-deified world (which has no predation/violence at any level) should be called historical?

I have generally approached this convo from the angle of resisting gender essentialism and 1 John’s “we don’t know yet what we shall be, but we will be like Christ.”

Paul does insist on a pneumatic (and so non-fleshly) bodily resurrection, which cannot inherit the pneumatic bodily kingdom. And this isn’t a loss of anything, only the maturation of every good we have with much more than we can imagine added in.

I agree (except maybe with the word literal, pneumatic would be more Pauline).

The main thing I’m trying to note with metahistorical is that all our lives will also follow the pattern of historical human life, historical human death, and then metahistorical true-human resurrection.

I am very glad to have read Cone’s The Cross and the Lynching Tree while I was in seminary.

I try to say that the whole passion (suffering, death, and resurrection) is the universal meeting point of deification and liberative salvation.

IMO it’s precisely for the sake of believing in universal/cosmic deification-in-resurrection that I would avoid any connection between bodily resurrection and physical/fleshly/historical/literal resuscitation.

I do say the apostolic experiences of Christ resurrected are historical.

Answering questions is apparently tough.

Why did you say he was “like” liberal Protestants when you could have called him a Fordhamite or something more relevant.

Then why call him a Protestant when he is clearly Eastern Orthodox?