jarkman

It's time to kick off the next bubble.

Now I am excited.

Oh, this is highly relevant to my interests, thanks

My preorder arrived this morning!

I think the whole point is to demonstrate arbitrary power, so as to cow any dissent at home.

I adore the optimism in this story.

I'm looking for resources - ideally books/papers - on the ergonomics of furniture design.

I'm specifically interested in the squishy stuff. Sofas, couches, beds, that kind of thing, not desk chairs, which seem to be well-studied.

I can't find much, any pointers would be very welcome. Thanks!

I kind of think that proper lac-beetle lacquer is edible. If that ever becomes relevant.

Yes. And get less conscious as you get more practiced, I suppose.

Oh - tai chi might be a good example of something with few external interactions.

I have not. Not sure why. I didn't want to encourage them, perhaps.

I'm sure they talked about delight in their meetings but I don't think they really know what glee is. And now we've thought about it I really want a glee-first phone, not one that works hard to barely skirt infuriating.

Are you saying that computers should be ....

fun?

I do occasionally notice myself picking up things from the fridge, but only when I've somehow managed to get 6 things at once.

So if you want aesthetic sensations wrt your own action, it has to be an action that is rare or especially conscious or tricky, otherwise you can't even notice yourself doing it.

I'm sorry, I have another tangent for you. Maybe mouth-work is in the same bucket as walking, a complex mechanical activity that's in between conscious and unconscious and so hard to look at clearly.

I wonder if this would help? www.amazon.co.uk/Mouthfeel-Te...

Hm, I see what you mean. Maybe there *should* be aesthetic sensations wrt your own action?

Mouthfeel is definitely a thing fancy chefs and industrial chefs think about, but it's odd that it is not a word your hear very often.

And yet there's no sculpture made for the mouth, no performance forms apart from the sound-based ones, nothing.

Fair.

What about eating? I don't think the mouth gets enough attention. It's a body part that undertakes complex mechanical tasks with a huge amount of sensory engagement and a lot of spatial understanding. The consequences of doing it wrong are severe.

.. maybe diving has the least external interaction? A lot of the tricky stuff happens in free fall.

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:-) I look forward to your paper/book/dance performance.

Interesting, ta. Very different in gaming from real-world physical activities, I guess.

Just because I am curious, what are you up to with this?

The harder you look the less it's just proprioception.

:-) I put that there to cause trouble, obv.

Track and field is about the body but also about grip and balance and gravity and exactly where your feet land relative to a spot in the world, and hence about perception of the physical world and your place in it.

And mime, sometimes.

Puppetry is exactly the same (the motion is the point) but now the motion is an artificial body.

Yes. Sometimes quite arcane signals - the shape of the dent the hammer makes, for example.

I wonder how many examples there are that don't have any external signals. In dance maybe?

It's not only about the movement of the hammer hand, it's about the location of the hit and the relative positions of metal and the supporting stake. So it can't all be in the proprioception.

How does it sound, how does the other hand feel the metal move, how sharp is the impact felt through the hammer hand, etc.

Not sure if this is helpful, but thinking about (eg) hammer action when planishing metal, some of 'feeling right' comes from the hand motion of moving the hammer, but a lot comes from sensory feedback from the impact.

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