The Rev. Dcn. Keakealani

For sure. And it feels like, if I get it wrong it’s potentially disrespectful either way?

The state of my desk, like the state of my brain, suggests that I will NOT in fact be managing to get my shit together.

(Like is last name “Wagner” pronounced like in German or like “wagoner” minus the middle vowel?)

This post *did* remind me to review all of the names I’m supposed to read out loud for my portion of the necrology, which is now telling me I know diction rules for too many languages and not sure if people use original language pronunciations or English-accented pronunciations of their names….

Definitely one of those “now you know” moments!

The short necrology is read during evensong on Sunday evening, with a whole candle lighting situation while the choir sings.

So I think there’s room for both kinds of things, you just have to plan them right.

We have two necrologies - those who died in the past year (by submission) and all who are buried in our memorial garden (which is actually required as part of the gift for said memorial garden). The long necrology is said in the garden at the end of the 10:30, +

Same, though! It’s so beautiful.

Yeah I really don’t get it either. It’s the timelessness that makes it, in a lot of ways.

Every time I see a BCP pastoral service and people go “wow that was so beautiful” I’m like yeeeeep the BCP comes in clutch every time! ⚓️

This is the sort of thing I mean when I say we have too much democracy here

Yeah exactly. That’s what I wondered - I don’t know a lot and stuff gets tossed around all the time. I’d rather focus on supported stuff than just garbage takes.

Like for example, does this guy know every church doesn’t even own their own space? Not sure what the storefront churches would do the other 6.5 days a week.

Not one reason, not a single one? It’s so bizarre. I can think of dozens of reasons. Some of them aren’t good reasons, but like, come on.

Can you speak to water usage for cooling? That’s an issue I’ve seen floating around but not knowledgeable enough to verify it.

But also, being an 18 year old moron deserves a lot more patience than being a 60 year old mark.

Sure - although the above thread is about a pastoral context, where “right” and “wrong” are much less important than “delegated responsibility of the church of God through the ordination of clerics”

Yeah again at best that feels like it could be used as a research tool (pending environmental ethics and other stuff) but not really pastoral care. But, fair point.

I’ll be honest - I’m baffled that anyone could be on board with AI pastoring. It simply makes no sense to me; a category error in what “pastoral” even means.

But also, these AIs were largely developed by a bunch of secular humanists. Does anyone think they’d have good theological output anyway?

Whereas a computer failing to produce output is not positively engaging with silence in the same way. There is no difference between the machine being broken, and the companionship of machine “silence”.

Silence is so incredibly useful. I’m working with a new spiritual director who is very much of the “accompanying” model and emphasizes just sitting in silence for God to fill in. Uncomfy for my personality type and incredibly spiritually valuable.

To be clear, the time switch is also deeply problematic for Hawaiʻi, but being perpetually on a half-hour delay from the rest of the country would be really inconvenient and confusing as well.

I genuinely don’t understand what’s wrong with standard time. It works fine for Hawaiʻi!

All of a sudden you have a bunch of people downstream who have heard these phrases and have internalized them subconsciously into their own vocabulary with no awareness of where they originated.

It’s oddly similar to the way a lot of African American slang gets appropriated by the broader culture esp. on the left - words like “woke” entered the parlance almost subconsciously. Among the right, all it takes is a few influences quoting Hitler and

And to be fair to these guys, I actually don’t doubt that this is true. I bet a lot of them truly don’t realize how much they’ve been steeped in n-zi rhetoric precisely *because* it is so commonplace within the far right. It’s entirely possible they heard these phrases repeatedly.

Please, no. This would be incredibly inconvenient for Hawaiʻi, which is already deeply marginalized my continental time zones.

Yay church!

And they naturally refused to engage with my point that there’s a lot of very specific ecclesiological writing about how and to what extent Eucharist forms the Body of Christ, which I think is important to grapple with before suggesting something utterly insane?

Well, their responses sound human, so there is that.

Well, one of them has slain me in the spirit, that’s for dang sure