Really not beating the charges that it was about the aesthetics of radicalism more than anything else

Pretty wild to me how many students were willing to occupy university buildings to protest something happening halfway around the world, but not in response to those very same universities caving to an authoritarian administration setting up concentration camps in our own borders

You're right in a way. The US could be a better ally and give Ukraine unrestricted offensive weapons to bring the fight to Russia. I would gladly join with you to demand that of our representatives.

Two wings of F-16s to Ukraine!

None of that would be true if Russia hadn't unilaterally invaded. There was no threat to Russia's territory or citizens. Russia invaded Ukraine and stole the entire province of Crimea and the world shrugged! They could simply have left Ukraine alone, but Putin wants to genocide Ukrainians.

Every single occupied city suffers Russian torture chambers, mass executions, forcible denial of Ukrainian language and culture, and mass kidnapping of Ukrainian children. How is Ukraine meant to negotiate with that? How many cities would you consign to that fate to achieve a temporary peace?

Every single occupied city suffers Russian torture chambers, mass executions, forcible denial of Ukrainian language and culture, and mass kidnapping of Ukrainian children. How is Ukraine meant to negotiate with that? How many cities would you consign to that fate to achieve a temporary peace?

Ukraine: Mass graves in Izium is a macabre reminder of the cost of Russian aggression The people of Ukraine and the world deserve to know how exactly those buried in the forest near Izium have died

What "off ramp?" Why on earth would Ukraine agree to cede even more territory to Russia when we've already seen the aftermath of Russian occupation in Mariupol, Bucha, Iziumm, and every other city that has been liberated?

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...

Why did Obama drop nearly all sanctions on Russia to secure their support for JCPOA in 2015? Why did Clinton ignore Russia's atrocities in Chechnya for years?

If anything it took far, far too long for the US foreign policy establishment to treat Russia as the rogue imperial state it is.

"America has been itching for a conflict with Russia."

Really? I think the opposite is true. Why not go to war to defend Georgia in 2008, or Crimea in 2014? Why not bomb the fuck out of Russia's air defenses in Syria when they were shielding Assad's atrocities?

"The country that is conducting a genocidal invasion of Ukraine and the country giving Ukraine weapons to defend itself are both evil."

"I never said Ukrainians don't have the right to defend themselves!"

The president of a nuclear nation will never go to the Hague. You are using a vague hand-wave at "bringing Putin to justice" to conceal the fact that your actual policy preference is "stop giving Ukraine the ability to resist Putin's invasion."

I simply think people who parrot genocidal imperialist talking points shouldn't throw stones. Free Palestine and free Ukraine.

This isn't a pivot bro, I'm pointing out that your shit takes don't account for the fact that the thing the working class people of Ukraine want is to not be occupied by Russia's genocidal war machine, and you saying "we should stop arming them" hurts that core interest.

There is no means for Ukraine to defend themselves against genocidal Russian aggression than by force of arms.

"He should face justice, but we should stop arming Ukraine and tell them to surrender."

This is horseshit, and reveals who your political opinions serve. You make an empty statement about the president of a nuclear armed nation "facing justice," and oppose all practical means to resist the invasion

I think she would have been better on every single issue including Gaza and I can't fathom thinking otherwise. Even if you believe she'd be as bad as Trump specifically on Gaza, why on earth should I still not work like hell to beat Trump? He's killed millions of people by destroying USAID.

lmao

Neither Putin nor Biden are ever going to the Hague. Also "I stopped paying attention to the most destructive war in Europe since 1945 because I can't use it to bash the libs" sure is a take I guess.

lol my bad, tone-over-text issue

should have been a big fat /s there, I'm trying to agree with you

"at the cost of working class and poor people's lives"

Your unstated assumption is that the working class people of Ukraine would rather have their children kidnapped and die in Russian death camps than fight. I believe their steadfast refusal to grant territorial concessions contradicts this.

yooooo what is the point of this right now? Why are you lying about the ongoing efforts of Democrats in the Senate to stop ICE?

no dude you don't understand, he's schizoposting about color revolutions and Russia's legitimate security interests in Donbas at 3:30 am from Wisconsin, he's definitely not a Russian troll...

You're preaching to the choir dude, my preferred policy at this point is "Allied Force II: Tel Aviv Edition."

I can acknowledge that the US has utterly failed to live up to the moment when it comes to Israel's crimes. Why should I accept Russia's?

100% uncut Kremlin propaganda. You wanna know why those negotiations failed? Ukraine was unwilling to allow continued occupation of its sovereign territory, because that occupation always comes with filtration camps, torture chambers, kidnapped children, and mass graves.

You know. Genocide.

"color revolution"

"no bro I totally live in wisconsin bro, Putin had to kill all those people because NATO bro"

Why would you ever choose to frame it this way when you can say much more correctly "the arc of American history has always been about half the country trying to get the other half to live up to the promises of our founding document."

look, leftists, I'm gonna drop an unpleasant consideration upon you:

consider that most Americans like America and think America's founding was good and aspirational, and they still get votes, not just your friends who all agree on Death to America

The good news is we're getting a Democratic Tea Party.

The bad news is we're getting a Democratic Tea Party.

You know how the "proxy war" could end? Russia could go home. Their men would go back to living their lives. Nothing would change for the Russian people or their ruling class.

Ukraine doesn't have that choice. Their choice is Russian torture camps and ethnic cleansing, or resistance. Same as Gaza.

"There should be a ceasefire."

You would find an empty statement like this utterly insufficient if the subject was Gaza. We all know there won't be a "ceasefire" because Russia will not cease firing. Russia must be driven out. This was 100% a war of choice for them.